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Newbury
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Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject:
ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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I have been using ZA Pro for some years now and have had no real reason to
try any other and this is my first post here to ask advice. I recently
installed an ATI PCI card that uses Beyond TV that is complaining:
"Beyond TV has detected that vsmon.exe (ZoneAlarm) is running. This
firewall contains a bug that causes it to leak memory when certain
applications are running, including Beyond TV. We recommend using Windows
Firewall, which is integrated into Windows XP Service Pack 2."
I find it odd that an application or service, whatever it is, would report
this. Can anyone comment and would care to make a recommendation of another
firewall to try. I like getting reports of activities of other SW and am not
sure if Windows Firewall will do this. I am behind a router anyway so from
what I understand I am pretty much safe anyway.
Thanks for any advice.
Newbury |
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The Outsider
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:35 am Post subject:
Re: ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:10:32 -0500, "Newbury" <Newbury@spamex.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | I have been using ZA Pro for some years now and have had no real reason to
try any other and this is my first post here to ask advice. I recently
installed an ATI PCI card that uses Beyond TV that is complaining:
"Beyond TV has detected that vsmon.exe (ZoneAlarm) is running. This
firewall contains a bug that causes it to leak memory when certain
applications are running, including Beyond TV. We recommend using Windows
Firewall, which is integrated into Windows XP Service Pack 2."
I find it odd that an application or service, whatever it is, would report
this. Can anyone comment and would care to make a recommendation of another
firewall to try. I like getting reports of activities of other SW and am not
sure if Windows Firewall will do this. I am behind a router anyway so from
what I understand I am pretty much safe anyway.
Thanks for any advice.
Newbury
Kerio 2.1.5, not the latest version of Kerio. Just search in Google |
for the version I posted and you will find it. |
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Newbury
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject:
Re: ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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The Outsider wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:10:32 -0500, "Newbury" <Newbury@spamex.com
wrote:
I have been using ZA Pro for some years now and have had no real
reason to try any other and this is my first post here to ask
advice. I recently installed an ATI PCI card that uses Beyond TV
that is complaining:
"Beyond TV has detected that vsmon.exe (ZoneAlarm) is running. This
firewall contains a bug that causes it to leak memory when certain
applications are running, including Beyond TV. We recommend using
Windows Firewall, which is integrated into Windows XP Service Pack
2."
I find it odd that an application or service, whatever it is, would
report this. Can anyone comment and would care to make a
recommendation of another firewall to try. I like getting reports of
activities of other SW and am not sure if Windows Firewall will do
this. I am behind a router anyway so from what I understand I am
pretty much safe anyway.
Thanks for any advice.
Newbury
Kerio 2.1.5, not the latest version of Kerio. Just search in Google
for the version I posted and you will find it.
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I had considered Kerio but they indicate they will not be supporting this
application any longer. What does this mean if they are number one?
Thanks for your reply.
Newbury |
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Symp EL
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Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:52 am Post subject:
Re: ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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Volker Birk
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Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:47 pm Post subject:
Re: ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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Newbury <Newbury@spamex.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Beyond TV has detected that vsmon.exe (ZoneAlarm) is running. This
firewall contains a bug that causes it to leak memory when certain
applications are running, including Beyond TV. We recommend using Windows
Firewall, which is integrated into Windows XP Service Pack 2."
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The people of Beyond are great ;-)
| Quote: | I like getting reports of activities of other SW and am not
sure if Windows Firewall will do this.
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Do you know, that this is useless for security purposes?
| Quote: | I am behind a router anyway so from
what I understand I am pretty much safe anyway.
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If the router is filtering well.
Yours,
VB.
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"Ich bin ein freier Mensch und werde jetzt von meinen Freiheitsrechten
Gebrauch machen - und zwar ausgiebig - natürlich nur in dem Rahmen, den
Otto Schily mir noch zur Verfügung stellt."
Wolfgang Clement am 10.10.05 als Noch-Superminister |
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Newbury
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Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:12 pm Post subject:
Re: ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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Volker Birk wrote:
| Quote: | Newbury <Newbury@spamex.com> wrote:
"Beyond TV has detected that vsmon.exe (ZoneAlarm) is running. This
firewall contains a bug that causes it to leak memory when certain
applications are running, including Beyond TV. We recommend using
Windows Firewall, which is integrated into Windows XP Service Pack
2."
The people of Beyond are great ;-)
I like getting reports of activities of other SW and am not
sure if Windows Firewall will do this.
Do you know, that this is useless for security purposes?
I am behind a router anyway so from
what I understand I am pretty much safe anyway.
If the router is filtering well.
Yours,
VB.
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I have removed ZoneAlarm Pro from all my systems and am running Windows XP
firewall but the one thing that I liked the most is the ability to prevent
applications from sending messages back to the SW people just as I install
them. Many ask permission to communicate even if they are the simplest
program. I also like to stop all activity with one click in my tray. I am
not as concerned about anything getting in but what about getting in and out
during an installation. What if I want to deny one system all access without
re configuring my router each time? |
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Leythos
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Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject:
Re: ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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In article <bOWdncnLqOaI3hXeRVn-pg@comcast.com>, Newbury@spamex.com
says...
| Quote: | What if I want to deny one system all access without
re configuring my router each time?
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If you want LOCAL control over your PC, while it's not perfect, if you
install ZoneAlarm or Tiny or some other personal firewall app, you can
get the control you want.
I know people that have run ZA and ZAP and Tiny for years without any
issues, on 2000/xp, and have not been compromised even directly
connected to their public IP without a router.
Find a stable version of ZA and use it if that's what you like.
I personally run a PFW on every laptop we take out of the office, so
that we can keep them safe when on clients networks - but we also know
how to not open holes that would compromise them under normal
situations.
We also use Tiny as a way to test outbound connections when installing
new applications, in addition to the firewall device itself.
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Leythos
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Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject:
Re: ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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In article <M7udndYxlPFo-RXeRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, Newbury@spamex.com
says...
| Quote: | How many people would remove a trusted firewall because of some SW
like Beyond TV wants access to all the files all the time?
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I would find another TV program, I would not accept that from a product
- unless the access was to the programs files only.
| Quote: | Will Tiny be the same way?
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Tiny is not user friendly, it is a lot different than ZA, and I don't
think Tiny is supported any longer (I could be wrong).
| Quote: | Should I allow Beyond TV access to whatever it needs to operate on
my system?
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Ask yourself if you trust the software vendor and if you got it through
non-hacker/hacked channels (meaning you're not running a pirated copy).
If you say yes, then you must already trust it, so let it have access.
Make a good back of your system first.
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Leythos
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Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject:
Re: ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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In article <43886b2c@news.uni-ulm.de>, bumens@dingens.org says...
| Quote: | Newbury <Newbury@spamex.com> wrote:
That is how this thread started. I have been using ZA Pro for some years
now. I get a report of a 'memory leak' each time I run Beyond TV application
but nothing about how this would effect performance or operation in any way.
The way I see it is when some new to me application is complaining of
problems with my firewall I get a bit curious as every other application
does not to be bothered and strange that they would have an issue with ZA
enough to include this is an error report. I tend to want to stay with
things the way they are before I start removing applications just because
software wants access to 'trusted zones' according to firewall.
This is how "Personal Firewalls" "work". Like every part of Metaphysics,
you can believe in "Personal Firewalls" or not.
Perhaps "Personal Firewalls" better would be discussed on
comp.metaphysics.firewalls, because this has nothing to do with security
at all.
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Yes, it does, and if you were not so obtuse you would know it.
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Volker Birk
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Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject:
Re: ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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Newbury <Newbury@spamex.com> wrote:
| Quote: | What if I want to deny one system all access without
re configuring my router each time?
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*plug* *plug*
Yours,
VB.
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"Ich bin ein freier Mensch und werde jetzt von meinen Freiheitsrechten
Gebrauch machen - und zwar ausgiebig - natürlich nur in dem Rahmen, den
Otto Schily mir noch zur Verfügung stellt."
Wolfgang Clement am 10.10.05 als Noch-Superminister |
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Volker Birk
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Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject:
Re: ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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Newbury <Newbury@spamex.com> wrote:
| Quote: | That is how this thread started. I have been using ZA Pro for some years
now. I get a report of a 'memory leak' each time I run Beyond TV application
but nothing about how this would effect performance or operation in any way.
The way I see it is when some new to me application is complaining of
problems with my firewall I get a bit curious as every other application
does not to be bothered and strange that they would have an issue with ZA
enough to include this is an error report. I tend to want to stay with
things the way they are before I start removing applications just because
software wants access to 'trusted zones' according to firewall.
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This is how "Personal Firewalls" "work". Like every part of Metaphysics,
you can believe in "Personal Firewalls" or not.
Perhaps "Personal Firewalls" better would be discussed on
comp.metaphysics.firewalls, because this has nothing to do with security
at all.
Yours,
VB.
--
"Ich bin ein freier Mensch und werde jetzt von meinen Freiheitsrechten
Gebrauch machen - und zwar ausgiebig - natürlich nur in dem Rahmen, den
Otto Schily mir noch zur Verfügung stellt."
Wolfgang Clement am 10.10.05 als Noch-Superminister |
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Newbury
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| Posted:
Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject:
Re: ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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Leythos wrote:
| Quote: | In article <bOWdncnLqOaI3hXeRVn-pg@comcast.com>, Newbury@spamex.com
says...
What if I want to deny one system all access without
re configuring my router each time?
If you want LOCAL control over your PC, while it's not perfect, if you
install ZoneAlarm or Tiny or some other personal firewall app, you can
get the control you want.
I know people that have run ZA and ZAP and Tiny for years without any
issues, on 2000/xp, and have not been compromised even directly
connected to their public IP without a router.
Find a stable version of ZA and use it if that's what you like.
I personally run a PFW on every laptop we take out of the office, so
that we can keep them safe when on clients networks - but we also know
how to not open holes that would compromise them under normal
situations.
We also use Tiny as a way to test outbound connections when installing
new applications, in addition to the firewall device itself.
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That is how this thread started. I have been using ZA Pro for some years
now. I get a report of a 'memory leak' each time I run Beyond TV application
but nothing about how this would effect performance or operation in any way.
The way I see it is when some new to me application is complaining of
problems with my firewall I get a bit curious as every other application
does not to be bothered and strange that they would have an issue with ZA
enough to include this is an error report. I tend to want to stay with
things the way they are before I start removing applications just because
software wants access to 'trusted zones' according to firewall. What I don't
like about zone Alarm is that every time you update they add more or
different popup messages and you have to learn about what they mean all over
again. How many people would remove a trusted firewall because of some SW
like Beyond TV wants access to all the files all the time? Will Tiny be the
same way? Should I allow Beyond TV access to whatever it needs to operate on
my system? |
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Newbury
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Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject:
Re: ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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Leythos wrote:
| Quote: | In article <M7udndYxlPFo-RXeRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, Newbury@spamex.com
says...
How many people would remove a trusted firewall because of some SW
like Beyond TV wants access to all the files all the time?
I would find another TV program, I would not accept that from a
product - unless the access was to the programs files only.
Will Tiny be the same way?
Tiny is not user friendly, it is a lot different than ZA, and I don't
think Tiny is supported any longer (I could be wrong).
Should I allow Beyond TV access to whatever it needs to operate on
my system?
Ask yourself if you trust the software vendor and if you got it
through non-hacker/hacked channels (meaning you're not running a
pirated copy). If you say yes, then you must already trust it, so let
it have access. Make a good back of your system first.
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Basically that is what I have been thinking. I get a report that an
application I am installing, not only BTV but many, that internet access is
requested or a red warning window from ZA tells warn me of a possible
security risk. Usually I say no. BTV needs access to update my TV Guide
section and my library section which is in my trusted zone. When it all
gets right down to it one might as well let all installed applications
access when they want it because if you are interested in privacy it is
either to late or inevitable in the end. All you can do it play by the rules
and never install pirate SW and hope for the best being at the mercy of even
the upright SW people not to share your system information. (unlikely). Am I
correct in the whole matter? I find myself spending way to much time on the
updates of ZA to decipher their latest warning message also.
Newbury |
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Leythos
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Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:18 am Post subject:
Re: ZoneAlarm has a leak? |
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In article <MuSdnfxeIuQ6PBXenZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Newbury@spamex.com says...
| Quote: | All you can do it play by the rules
and never install pirate SW and hope for the best being at the mercy of even
the upright SW people not to share your system information. (unlikely). Am I
correct in the whole matter? I find myself spending way to much time on the
updates of ZA to decipher their latest warning message also.
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It's not the known software apps that you really have to worry about (
most of the time ) it's the ones that you don't know about that cause
the most problems. A PFW will alert you, many times, to a rogue app on
your system that you might not have found normally or before X amount of
time.
I personally disable the PFW when I'm inside our LAN, but we lock down
our networks very tightly, so it's not like we're your typical home
user.
If ZA works, use it, only update when you NEED the update, not just
because there is an update, only allow things access outbound that you
understand - and learn about those that you don't.
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