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Desert Tripper
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Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:06 am Post subject:
Just wasted an afternoon - for what??!!! Dedicated DSL line |
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Well, it was supposed to be a rewarding afternoon, if not fun. I got
sick and tired of all those silly little filters that have to be put
in line with every phone in the house in order to use ADSL. Also, a
guy from SBC told me that the more twisted-pair between the demarc and
the DSL modem, the better. I have been running all sorts of phone wire
around my attic to various rooms and I know a lot of it is not twisted
pair.
I recently changed ISPs and my old ISP "surprised" me with a $100
charge if I didn't return my old modem with filters. That sealed the
deal. I was determined to reduce the number of filters on my phone
system to ONE, once and for all!!
I sacrificed an extra filter I had, soldering wires to the "line in"
and "phone out" jack locations, then ran a rather nice 3-pair shielded
twisted-pair run directly from the demarc to where my DSL modem is.
Then, I wired my neat little modified filter between the demarc and
the rest of my interior wiring. "Ingenious!" I thought to myself,
expecting to go in and relax with a beer while surfing the web with
unprecedented reliability.
CRAP! My plan bit the dust when I went inside and found that my modem
was dropping sync all over the place. Just as bad as things were when
the phone company discovered a bridge tap on my line a few months ago.
After disconnecting my "miracle filter" at the demarc, it synced up
nicely. Curious, I connected a filter between the DSL modem and the
rest of the interior wiring at the modem location, and I continued to
get good sync. That's where I left things for now.
I am now very, very confused. I always thought one filter at the
demarc, with a dedicated direct line to the DSL modem, was the way to
go. Now I find it's not the case. At least the second best idea, a
dedicated line to the modem with a filter to the rest of the house,
seems to work. But why doesn't the filter work outside? Could it be
that my DSL modem sees the rest of the interior wiring, on the other
side of the filter, as a "bridge tap?" I always thought DSL modems
were "blind" to things on the other side of a filter.
Has anyone else tried this idea, and succeeded?
Just curious! |
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JimK
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Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Just wasted an afternoon - for what??!!! Dedicated DSL l |
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:06:43 GMT, Desert Tripper
<destrip@NO-SPAMsonic.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Well, it was supposed to be a rewarding afternoon, if not fun. I got
sick and tired of all those silly little filters that have to be put
in line with every phone in the house in order to use ADSL. Also, a
guy from SBC told me that the more twisted-pair between the demarc and
the DSL modem, the better. I have been running all sorts of phone wire
around my attic to various rooms and I know a lot of it is not twisted
pair.
I recently changed ISPs and my old ISP "surprised" me with a $100
charge if I didn't return my old modem with filters. That sealed the
deal. I was determined to reduce the number of filters on my phone
system to ONE, once and for all!!
I sacrificed an extra filter I had, soldering wires to the "line in"
and "phone out" jack locations, then ran a rather nice 3-pair shielded
twisted-pair run directly from the demarc to where my DSL modem is.
Then, I wired my neat little modified filter between the demarc and
the rest of my interior wiring. "Ingenious!" I thought to myself,
expecting to go in and relax with a beer while surfing the web with
unprecedented reliability.
CRAP! My plan bit the dust when I went inside and found that my modem
was dropping sync all over the place. Just as bad as things were when
the phone company discovered a bridge tap on my line a few months ago.
After disconnecting my "miracle filter" at the demarc, it synced up
nicely. Curious, I connected a filter between the DSL modem and the
rest of the interior wiring at the modem location, and I continued to
get good sync. That's where I left things for now.
I am now very, very confused. I always thought one filter at the
demarc, with a dedicated direct line to the DSL modem, was the way to
go. Now I find it's not the case. At least the second best idea, a
dedicated line to the modem with a filter to the rest of the house,
seems to work. But why doesn't the filter work outside? Could it be
that my DSL modem sees the rest of the interior wiring, on the other
side of the filter, as a "bridge tap?" I always thought DSL modems
were "blind" to things on the other side of a filter.
Has anyone else tried this idea, and succeeded?
Just curious!
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Filters that go between wall phone jack and phone are low pass audio
only that block DSL frequencys.
You need an ASDL NID POTS Splitter like below
http://www.tequipment.net/WilcomADSLPS11.asp |
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Desert Tripper
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Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject:
Re: Just wasted an afternoon - for what??!!! Dedicated DSL l |
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:35:18 GMT, JimK <1alpha@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:06:43 GMT, Desert Tripper
destrip@NO-SPAMsonic.net> wrote:
Well, it was supposed to be a rewarding afternoon, if not fun. I got
sick and tired of all those silly little filters that have to be put
in line with every phone in the house in order to use ADSL. Also, a
guy from SBC told me that the more twisted-pair between the demarc and
the DSL modem, the better. I have been running all sorts of phone wire
around my attic to various rooms and I know a lot of it is not twisted
pair.
I recently changed ISPs and my old ISP "surprised" me with a $100
charge if I didn't return my old modem with filters. That sealed the
deal. I was determined to reduce the number of filters on my phone
system to ONE, once and for all!!
I sacrificed an extra filter I had, soldering wires to the "line in"
and "phone out" jack locations, then ran a rather nice 3-pair shielded
twisted-pair run directly from the demarc to where my DSL modem is.
Then, I wired my neat little modified filter between the demarc and
the rest of my interior wiring. "Ingenious!" I thought to myself,
expecting to go in and relax with a beer while surfing the web with
unprecedented reliability.
CRAP! My plan bit the dust when I went inside and found that my modem
was dropping sync all over the place. Just as bad as things were when
the phone company discovered a bridge tap on my line a few months ago.
After disconnecting my "miracle filter" at the demarc, it synced up
nicely. Curious, I connected a filter between the DSL modem and the
rest of the interior wiring at the modem location, and I continued to
get good sync. That's where I left things for now.
I am now very, very confused. I always thought one filter at the
demarc, with a dedicated direct line to the DSL modem, was the way to
go. Now I find it's not the case. At least the second best idea, a
dedicated line to the modem with a filter to the rest of the house,
seems to work. But why doesn't the filter work outside? Could it be
that my DSL modem sees the rest of the interior wiring, on the other
side of the filter, as a "bridge tap?" I always thought DSL modems
were "blind" to things on the other side of a filter.
Has anyone else tried this idea, and succeeded?
Just curious!
Filters that go between wall phone jack and phone are low pass audio
only that block DSL frequencys.
You need an ASDL NID POTS Splitter like below
http://www.tequipment.net/WilcomADSLPS11.asp
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OK I think I'll try one of those. I found a lot of those type of
devices listed on eBay. I take it they have a different sort (or
perhaps more elaborate) filtering scheme than the cheapo
"self-install" type filters? I'm still confused as to why a filter
will work for each telephone individually but not with the voice
network of the house as a whole.
In any case, the "weatherized" outdoor box will give me more peace of
mind than a modded cheapo filter hanging off the demarc. |
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John S.
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Just wasted an afternoon - for what??!!! Dedicated DSL l |
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"Desert Tripper" <destrip@NO-SPAMsonic.net> wrote in message
news:4ap8k1tpvsm0r3i8nng1rcsuc1cpuqm8u5@4ax.com...
| Quote: | I have been running all sorts of
phone wire
around my attic to various rooms and I know a lot of it is not twisted
pair.
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All phone wire is twisted pair. |
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William P. N. Smith
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject:
Re: Just wasted an afternoon - for what??!!! Dedicated DSL l |
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"John S." <john@mocha-n-micro-chips.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Desert Tripper" <destrip@NO-SPAMsonic.net> wrote in message
news:4ap8k1tpvsm0r3i8nng1rcsuc1cpuqm8u5@4ax.com...
I have been running all sorts of phone wire
around my attic to various rooms and I know a lot of it is not twisted
pair.
All phone wire is twisted pair.
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While all phone wire is paired, not all of it is twisted. Many houses
are wired with two-pair wire where the pairs are diagonally opposed,
but not twisted in any way.
Look up Grade 1, D-Station, or Quad wire on Google. |
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Alan
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Just wasted an afternoon - for what??!!! Dedicated DSL l |
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I too tried Verizon DSL Red Light and slower than dialup at times.
They say line great no problem enjoy. Not true.
Reboot Modem Reboot Computer, Wasted time.
I thought DSL was to save time. Not True
Now 30 days have goon by. I told them it hasn't worked and that I hadn't had
30 days of service and I wanted every dollar BACK. They said yes. At this
time haven't seen credit. Charges are still being billed for new service and
it was removed.
I loved it connecting at 3.meg and 2.7 meg but than Red-Light next 10 to 15
Min.
Verizon drops the Ball here with DSL. Looks like some won could get them off
there fat ass and make it work.
They need a class action law suite. |
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cosdocs@yahoo.com
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:39 am Post subject:
Re: Just wasted an afternoon - for what??!!! Dedicated DSL l |
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Have you tried your states public service commission?
Bitching about it here wont do any good...
If you are in NY this is the web address
http://www.dps.state.ny.us/locations.html
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:17:16 GMT, "Alan" <alanjones@all2easy.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | I too tried Verizon DSL Red Light and slower than dialup at times.
They say line great no problem enjoy. Not true.
Reboot Modem Reboot Computer, Wasted time.
I thought DSL was to save time. Not True
Now 30 days have goon by. I told them it hasn't worked and that I hadn't had
30 days of service and I wanted every dollar BACK. They said yes. At this
time haven't seen credit. Charges are still being billed for new service and
it was removed.
I loved it connecting at 3.meg and 2.7 meg but than Red-Light next 10 to 15
Min.
Verizon drops the Ball here with DSL. Looks like some won could get them off
there fat ass and make it work.
They need a class action law suite.
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