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Blue Angel
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:03 am Post subject:
Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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Will Netmeeting not work with Winfdows Xp Pro Sp2? I tried to install
3.0 and it said it can't be installed with this version of Windows.
Any Ideas?
Thanks:
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:35 am Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:03:50 GMT, Blue Angel wrote:
| Quote: | Will Netmeeting not work with Winfdows Xp Pro Sp2? I tried to install
3.0 and it said it can't be installed with this version of Windows.
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No downloadable NM will install and run on XP.
XP comes with the appropriate version preinstalled. It can be configured by
using start->run->conf.exe.
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Blue Angel
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:47 am Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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Thanks Brian! I got it started to install but it will only get as far
as the audio tuner and the it stops responding and will go no further.
Any Ideas?
Thanks Again:
TomP
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:35:16 -0500, Brian Sullivan MVP
<brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:03:50 GMT, Blue Angel wrote:
Will Netmeeting not work with Winfdows Xp Pro Sp2? I tried to install
3.0 and it said it can't be installed with this version of Windows.
No downloadable NM will install and run on XP.
XP comes with the appropriate version preinstalled. It can be configured by
using start->run->conf.exe. |
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:17 am Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:47:32 GMT, Blue Angel wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks Brian! I got it started to install but it will only get as far
as the audio tuner and the it stops responding and will go no further.
Any Ideas?
Thanks Again:
TomP
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I would assume that there is a sound card driver issue. Do you have the
latest software drivers ?
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Blue Angel
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:49 pm Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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Brian:
I got it going. It was the sound drivers. I have a M/B that has the
card builded into it and it can be a pain.
Thanks for all the help!!
TomP
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:46:10 -0500, Brian Sullivan MVP
<brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:47:32 GMT, Blue Angel wrote:
Thanks Brian! I got it started to install but it will only get as far
as the audio tuner and the it stops responding and will go no further.
Any Ideas?
Thanks Again:
TomP
I would assume that there is a sound card driver issue. Do you have the
latest software drivers ? |
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Nik Futter
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:09 pm Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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| Quote: | I got it going. It was the sound drivers. I have a M/B that has the
card builded into it and it can be a pain.
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I have the same problem: I can connect to a friend of mine via
Netmeeting - text chat works, but no audio in both directions. We both
have XP SP2 and motherboards with build in sound cards (but different
computers). We have disabled all firewalls (WIN XP internal) and also
disabled QoS. But no audio. I even have tested it with two computers
connected direct together with cross over network cable - but also: No
audio.
I just have tested the freeware "Microsoft Portrait"
(http://research.microsoft.com/~jiangli/portrait/)- this works fine. The
bandwidth using is very low (13 kbps) so that I even can phone with
users who only have a modem (33 kbps). I even found the codec files for
"Lernout & Hauspie CELP 4,8 Kits/s" codec and "Mobile Voice (2,4 Kbps)"
codec, so that even lower bandwidth are possible.
I have created a free dynDNS.org address so that all friends can call me
with a "semi" static address. And friends of mine can enter the semi
static address at the end of the Portrait.ini file – so they have nearly
an address book.
But most people don't have installed "Microsoft Portrait" …
How "up-to-date" is Netmeeting ? What is necessary to connect to
"Microsoft network server" ? Do I need a "passport" login or hotmail
account ? I have connected to some ILS server but only see commercial
sex contacts ... |
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:30 pm Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:09:29 +0200, Nik Futter wrote:
| Quote: | I got it going. It was the sound drivers. I have a M/B that has the
card builded into it and it can be a pain.
I have the same problem: I can connect to a friend of mine via
Netmeeting - text chat works, but no audio in both directions. We both
have XP SP2 and motherboards with build in sound cards (but different
computers). We have disabled all firewalls (WIN XP internal) and also
disabled QoS. But no audio. I even have tested it with two computers
connected direct together with cross over network cable - but also: No
audio.
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I think your audio problem is not the same. The OP couldn't even run the
audio tuning wizard.
If you have no audio or video either way in the scenarios you indicate all
I can guess is that you are making a data only call ( a "secure call
setting will do that -- also it could be forced by policy),
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I just have tested the freeware "Microsoft Portrait"
(http://research.microsoft.com/~jiangli/portrait/)- this works fine. The
bandwidth using is very low (13 kbps) so that I even can phone with
users who only have a modem (33 kbps). I even found the codec files for
"Lernout & Hauspie CELP 4,8 Kits/s" codec and "Mobile Voice (2,4 Kbps)"
codec, so that even lower bandwidth are possible.
I have created a free dynDNS.org address so that all friends can call me
with a "semi" static address. And friends of mine can enter the semi
static address at the end of the Portrait.ini file ¡V so they have nearly
an address book.
But most people don't have installed "Microsoft Portrait" ¡K
How "up-to-date" is Netmeeting ?
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The last version of NetMeeting was released in 1999 and Microsoft has
announced its retirement -- it will be in no future operating systems. That
said though it is shipped on all current Windows operating systems, works
and is used by large numbers of people on all O/S's
| Quote: | What is necessary to connect to
"Microsoft network server" ?
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I am not sure what "network server" you had in mind. Microsoft hasn't
operated an ILS since 1999 and currently has no public server/software
system that allows NetMeeting call connection (including current versions
of Msn Messneger that have dropped NetMeeting call support),
| Quote: | Do I need a "passport" login or hotmail
account ?
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Not for NetMeeting. Msn Messenger has video calling support (and requires a
passport) -- it seems to be the favoured Microsoft son for P2P video
calling.
| Quote: | I have connected to some ILS server but only see commercial
sex contacts ...
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Yes an unfortunate consequence of the way the ILS/NetMeeting works and
general seediness of some aspects of the online world.
Most current NetMeeting users use direct IP calling strategies ( like using
the dyndns.org strategy you mentioned).
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Nik Futter
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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Thank you for your answer
| Quote: | If you have no audio or video either way in the scenarios you indicate
all I can guess is that you are making a data only call ( a "secure
call setting will do that -- also it could be forced by policy),
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I don't have made any changes at the tab "security". Both check boxes
are unchecked.
| Quote: | What is necessary to connect to "Microsoft network server" ?
I am not sure what "network server" you had in mind. Microsoft hasn't
operated an ILS since 1999 and currently has no public server/software
system that allows NetMeeting call connection (including current
versions of Msn Messneger that have dropped NetMeeting call support),
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With "Microsoft network server" I mean the "default" server from
Microsoft. But when you say that this server isn't working since 1999 I
understand why I can not reach it ...
| Quote: | Most current NetMeeting users use direct IP calling strategies ( like
using the dyndns.org strategy you mentioned).
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OK - but because I cannot use audio with Netmeeting I must live with
Microsoft Portrait.
| Quote: | Netmeeting ... is used by large numbers of people on all O/S's
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"large number minus two" (my friend and me ...)
Would be interesting if I can reach a Netmeeting user with Microsoft
Portrait ... |
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:59:02 +0200, Nik Futter wrote:
| Quote: | Thank you for your answer
If you have no audio or video either way in the scenarios you indicate
all I can guess is that you are making a data only call ( a "secure
call setting will do that -- also it could be forced by policy),
I don't have made any changes at the tab "security". Both check boxes
are unchecked.
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The only other scenarios I can think(assuming the call is not a data only
call) of that causes no audio/video either way is when one end is behind a
NAT router and the other is blocked because of the QoS scheduler problem or
both ends have the QoS Scheduler problem but you said you have disabled the
QoS Scheduler at both ends.
Just to confirm. You have followed the procedure outlined at:
http://radio.weblogs.com/0127028/2004/10/18.html
at both ends?
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Netmeeting ... is used by large numbers of people on all O/S's
"large number minus two" (my friend and me ...)
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Such is life. NetMeeting users will continue to drop off over time until it
dies completely.
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Nik Futter
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:21 pm Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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| Quote: | The only other scenarios I can think(assuming the call is not a data
only call) of that causes no audio/video either way is when one end
is behind a NAT router and the other is blocked because of the QoS
scheduler problem or both ends have the QoS Scheduler problem but
you said you have disabled the QoS Scheduler at both ends.
Just to confirm. You have followed the procedure outlined at:
http://radio.weblogs.com/0127028/2004/10/18.html
at both ends?
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Hey, fine description - and nice photo of you.
But, yes: I have unbind the QoS scheduler as showed in your description
at both ends.
I also wrote, that I have connected two computers direct with cross over
cable - so NAT router can also not be the problem.
The only thing I recognize: When I make a connection to an ILS server
(with this commercial sex contacts) I see that nearly all "contacts"
have two symbols on the left side: One is the "speaker" symbol and one
is the "webcam" symbol. But MY contact in this list has no symbol.
So, perhaps, it has something to do with my soundcard (build on
motherboard).
But - on the other side: With "Microsoft Portrait" all works fine ...
| Quote: | NetMeeting users will continue to drop off over time until it dies
completely.
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But what comes instead ? I see many VoIP softphone solutions. But they
don't have video and are often local provider solutions. |
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:21:06 +0200, Nik Futter wrote:
| Quote: | The only other scenarios I can think(assuming the call is not a data
only call) of that causes no audio/video either way is when one end
is behind a NAT router and the other is blocked because of the QoS
scheduler problem or both ends have the QoS Scheduler problem but
you said you have disabled the QoS Scheduler at both ends.
Just to confirm. You have followed the procedure outlined at:
http://radio.weblogs.com/0127028/2004/10/18.html
at both ends?
Hey, fine description - and nice photo of you.
But, yes: I have unbind the QoS scheduler as showed in your description
at both ends.
I also wrote, that I have connected two computers direct with cross over
cable - so NAT router can also not be the problem.
The only thing I recognize: When I make a connection to an ILS server
(with this commercial sex contacts) I see that nearly all "contacts"
have two symbols on the left side: One is the "speaker" symbol and one
is the "webcam" symbol. But MY contact in this list has no symbol.
So, perhaps, it has something to do with my soundcard (build on
motherboard).
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As long as your audio device has gone through the audio tuning wizard and
the camera functions in local preview, it should work (at least at that
level) in a call.
I am not sure what would cause your ILS listing not to contain indications
of your sound card/camera -- unless something locally is preventing H.323
access.
Do you have some other program running that is using the H.323 ports ( like
Portrait for instance, or Microsoft's Tapi3 program -- if I recall Portrait
is H.323 or close) preventing NM from using them?
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But - on the other side: With "Microsoft Portrait" all works fine ...
NetMeeting users will continue to drop off over time until it dies
completely.
But what comes instead ? I see many VoIP softphone solutions. But they
don't have video and are often local provider solutions.
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The reasons they don't have video in my opinion are that real time talking
head video adds very little to conversations on the most part and with
todays internet bandwidth and QoS issues is impossible to support in a
effective dependable way.
Microsoft has chosen to drop H.323 calling as the favoured P2P audio/video
calling strategy. Nothing from Microsoft is a one for one feature
replacement for NetMeeting. The closest thing I can think of is Msn
Messenger which supports P2P video calling, some of the NetMeeting data
sharing features ( but not for multiple participants) but uses SIP as the
connection strategy.
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital M
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Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:19 am Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:40:50 -0500, Brian Sullivan MVP
<brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Do you have some other program running that is using the H.323 ports ( like
Portrait for instance, or Microsoft's Tapi3 program -- if I recall Portrait
is H.323 or close) preventing NM from using them?
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** Portrait by default uses ports 8100, 8110 and 8120. It doesn't
cross over to H323 port ranges unless by accident ;-)
I suppose it's possible it's hogging the audio or video device(s)
instead if it's running at the same time.
HTH
Cheers - Neil |
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Nik Futter
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Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:54 pm Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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| Quote: | I suppose it's possible it's hogging the audio or video device(s)
instead if it's running at the same time.
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Hm, but Brian wrote:
| Quote: | As long as your audio device has gone through the audio tuning wizard
and the camera functions in local preview, it should work (at least at
that level) in a call.
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And "audio tuning wizard" has had no problems ... |
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Nik Futter
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Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:32 pm Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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| Quote: | I am not sure what would cause your ILS listing not to contain
indications of your sound card/camera -- unless something locally
is preventing H.323 access.
Do you have some other program running that is using the H.323 ports
( like Portrait for instance, or Microsoft's Tapi3 program -- if I
recall Portrait is H.323 or close) preventing NM from using them?
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Hm, Portrait is not using H.323 ...
Is there any "service" nesessary for H.323 ?
I remember that I have disabled many services with a script file from
www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html (I think this site is temporaly down,
but can found with keyword "ntsvcfg_eng" in google cache)
| Quote: | Microsoft has chosen to drop H.323 calling as the favoured P2P
audio/video calling strategy. Nothing from Microsoft is a one for
one feature replacement for NetMeeting.
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Hm, isn't "Microsoft Portrait" a replacement ?
| Quote: | The reasons they don't have video in my opinion are that real time
talking head video adds very little to conversations on the most part
and with todays internet bandwidth and QoS issues is impossible to
support in a effective dependable way.
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But "Microsoft Portrait" uses only a bandwidth of 13 kbps for audio and
can configure to use 33,6 kbps for video (5 fps and video size 160x120).
I have tested this with a friend of mine with 64 kbps ISDN line - works
fine. |
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:23 pm Post subject:
Re: Netmeeting and Windows XP Pro Sp2? |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 10:32:44 +0200, Nik Futter wrote:
| Quote: | I am not sure what would cause your ILS listing not to contain
indications of your sound card/camera -- unless something locally
is preventing H.323 access.
Do you have some other program running that is using the H.323 ports
( like Portrait for instance, or Microsoft's Tapi3 program -- if I
recall Portrait is H.323 or close) preventing NM from using them?
Hm, Portrait is not using H.323 ...
Is there any "service" nesessary for H.323 ?
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Probably -- can't specifically say though.
| Quote: | I remember that I have disabled many services with a script file from
www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html (I think this site is temporaly down,
but can found with keyword "ntsvcfg_eng" in google cache)
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You may have found the root of your problem -- find out what you disabled
and reenable. Most of this disable service advice is poorly researched and
just plain wrong. Would you go to your car engine, remove a whole bunch of
wires and belts just because a website told you to?
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Microsoft has chosen to drop H.323 calling as the favoured P2P
audio/video calling strategy. Nothing from Microsoft is a one for
one feature replacement for NetMeeting.
Hm, isn't "Microsoft Portrait" a replacement ?
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No -- not in my mind -- Portrait is not a product but a Microsoft Research
project. I have not heard of any plans to turn it into a project (and it
has been around for a number of years). My guess is that it will not run/be
available on the next version of Microsoft operating system just like
NetMeeting.
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The reasons they don't have video in my opinion are that real time
talking head video adds very little to conversations on the most part
and with todays internet bandwidth and QoS issues is impossible to
support in a effective dependable way.
But "Microsoft Portrait" uses only a bandwidth of 13 kbps for audio and
can configure to use 33,6 kbps for video (5 fps and video size 160x120).
I have tested this with a friend of mine with 64 kbps ISDN line - works
fine.
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And the video is useful? I think that is more of toy (and even NetMeeting
and Messenger video are just upgraded toys from a video point of view).
Working "video phones" have been around since the 60's and unfortunately
have not progressed much.
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