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Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject:
IDSL & IDSN = Why so expensive? |
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I hope this is the proper place to ask (I am in Verizon's territory).
Since I cannot get DSL from Verizon, Speakeasy, Covad, etc. due to long
distance (20K ft.)., I was told about IDSL and IDSN services. How come
these slower broadband services are way more expensive (e.g., 115 bucks
per year for IDSL and 144 Kb/sec speeds) compared to cable, satellite
Internet services (slow too and excluding setup prices!), and ADSL? I
would expect slower speeds to be cheaper or same prices.
Thank you in advance. :)
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David H. Lipman
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:36 am Post subject:
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IDSL is basically ISDN signal rates, using 2B1Q encoding, using DSL technology. It costs
more because it does NOT co-exist with a POTS line and therefore a new line would have to be
run. Additionally it is more because it is not as commonly deployed and thus costs the ISP
more to provide. It is also symmetrical so the upload speed is the same as the download
speed. I believe the highest you can get is 144kb/s upload and download speeds.
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| I hope this is the proper place to ask (I am in Verizon's territory).
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| Since I cannot get DSL from Verizon, Speakeasy, Covad, etc. due to long
| distance (20K ft.)., I was told about IDSL and IDSN services. How come
| these slower broadband services are way more expensive (e.g., 115 bucks
| per year for IDSL and 144 Kb/sec speeds) compared to cable, satellite
| Internet services (slow too and excluding setup prices!), and ADSL? I
| would expect slower speeds to be cheaper or same prices.
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| Thank you in advance. :)
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dj
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:40 am Post subject:
Re: IDSL & IDSN = Why so expensive? |
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David H. Lipman wrote:
| Quote: | IDSL is basically ISDN signal rates, using 2B1Q encoding, using DSL technology. It costs
more because it does NOT co-exist with a POTS line and therefore a new line would have to be
run. Additionally it is more because it is not as commonly deployed and thus costs the ISP
more to provide. It is also symmetrical so the upload speed is the same as the download
speed. I believe the highest you can get is 144kb/s upload and download speeds.
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All true, but for me they just used one of my unused phone lines.
Ant, check with speakeasy.net. They may can give you a better
price than V. Good luck!
Kind regards
dj |
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:31 am Post subject:
Re: IDSL & IDSN = Why so expensive? |
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ANTant@zimage.com wrote in news:zsWdnZ1hp9MfFGfcRVn-gQ@mminternet.net:
| Quote: | I hope this is the proper place to ask (I am in Verizon's territory).
Since I cannot get DSL from Verizon, Speakeasy, Covad, etc. due to long
distance (20K ft.)., I was told about IDSL and IDSN services. How come
these slower broadband services are way more expensive (e.g., 115 bucks
per year for IDSL and 144 Kb/sec speeds) compared to cable, satellite
Internet services (slow too and excluding setup prices!), and ADSL? I
would expect slower speeds to be cheaper or same prices.
Thank you in advance. :)
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115 bucks per YEAR? That doesn't sound very expensive to me, that's
cheaper than dial-up. I'm guessing you mean 115 bucks per MONTH. ISDN has
always been expensive and I think IDSL has kept up the tradition. It's
probably a case of supply and demand, not much demand so those who do
demand ISDN/IDSL get charged more. One of the switches I work in has the
capacity to handle 70,000 POTS lines and 2,000 IDSN lines and it's
capacities has never been reduced (any ISDN or POTS equipment that was
added to the switch has never been removed). |
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John P. Dearing
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:01 am Post subject:
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ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
| Quote: | I hope this is the proper place to ask (I am in Verizon's territory).
Since I cannot get DSL from Verizon, Speakeasy, Covad, etc. due to long
distance (20K ft.)., I was told about IDSL and IDSN services. How come
these slower broadband services are way more expensive (e.g., 115 bucks
per year for IDSL and 144 Kb/sec speeds) compared to cable, satellite
Internet services (slow too and excluding setup prices!), and ADSL? I
would expect slower speeds to be cheaper or same prices.
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As others have pointed out, IDSL is a digital connection using ISDN
signaling (2B1Q) to reach the subscriber. It has all the capabilities
and limitations of ISDN. That is, it *is* compatible with SLC systems
such as SLC-96 and Series 5 SLC as well as Litespan 2000.
Regular DSL is incompatible with these technologies unless the Remote
Terminal is upgraded to specifically support DSL. ISDN can be delivered
almost anywhere. There is even special loop electronics that cal push
the signal out over 30,000ft (Total Reach ISDN). I've installed a couple
of these units, some for regular dialup ISDN and one for a CLEC for ISDL.
Because of your distance from the Central Office, you are probably
served out of some Remote Terminal system. The limited copper that may
also be feeding your area is probably loaded cable (given the distance)
and also not usable for DSL.
Because ISDN and IDSL use special plugin units in the SLC/Litespan
systems they require more "engineering" in deployment. This results in a
higher cost per month to the CLEC for the loop.
Also, ISDL is usually a Business class offering from the CLEC. So you
are paying business rates for the service. The CLEC's charge businesses
more because they can.
A few years ago, the CLEC DSL providers were actively going after the
residential market. They quickly found out that this was a losing
proposition and they were not really making any money at $40/month (the
going rate at the time). They just as quickly got *out* of the
*residential* DSL market. Almost all that is left is business level DSL
(even in your house, you just pay more - that's all).
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject:
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Some One <someone@nowhere.com> wrote:
| Quote: | ANTant@zimage.com wrote in news:zsWdnZ1hp9MfFGfcRVn-gQ@mminternet.net:
I hope this is the proper place to ask (I am in Verizon's territory).
Since I cannot get DSL from Verizon, Speakeasy, Covad, etc. due to long
distance (20K ft.)., I was told about IDSL and IDSN services. How come
these slower broadband services are way more expensive (e.g., 115 bucks
per year for IDSL and 144 Kb/sec speeds) compared to cable, satellite
Internet services (slow too and excluding setup prices!), and ADSL? I
would expect slower speeds to be cheaper or same prices.
Thank you in advance. :)
115 bucks per YEAR? That doesn't sound very expensive to me, that's
cheaper than dial-up. I'm guessing you mean 115 bucks per MONTH. ISDN has
always been expensive and I think IDSL has kept up the tradition. It's
probably a case of supply and demand, not much demand so those who do
demand ISDN/IDSL get charged more. One of the switches I work in has the
capacity to handle 70,000 POTS lines and 2,000 IDSN lines and it's
capacities has never been reduced (any ISDN or POTS equipment that was
added to the switch has never been removed).
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Oops! I meant to say per YEAR. Sorry about that! Dang, too expensive. Grr.
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David H. Lipman
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:44 pm Post subject:
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OK is it per YEAR or per MONTH !
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| Oops! I meant to say per YEAR. Sorry about that! Dang, too expensive. Grr.
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:55 am Post subject:
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David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@verizon.net> wrote:
| Quote: | OK is it per YEAR or per MONTH !
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Crap, per month! Sorry again.
[notes to himself not to post on newsgroups so late at nights]
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David Lesher
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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ANTant@zimage.com writes:
| Quote: | Since I cannot get DSL from Verizon, Speakeasy, Covad, etc. due to long
distance (20K ft.)., I was told about IDSL and IDSN services. How come
these slower broadband services are way more expensive (e.g., 115 bucks
per year for IDSL and 144 Kb/sec speeds) compared to cable, satellite
Internet services (slow too and excluding setup prices!), and ADSL? I
would expect slower speeds to be cheaper or same prices.
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A1) Because they can...
A2) Because the facilities are dedicated all the way back to the
ISP.
Now, I used dialup ISDN for years -- just my calls tended to last
500-1000 hours and Ma musta hated it....
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