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BigBen
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:35 pm Post subject:
Skype without PC?? |
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Hi All,
Have you found a gizmo that allows this, to use a "normal" phone (or
even fax) through Skype (Out) services? The simpler, the better, pls.
TIA,
JBR |
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Martin²
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:33 am Post subject:
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Impossible. Skype is just a bit of P2P software, you need a computer to use
it (as you do for IM and other similar programs). You can run a version on a
PDA.
What you need is Analog Telephone Adapter (ATA) plugged to ethernet port on
your router and a SIP service provider. Or you can get a router with built
in ATA / SIP VoIP port(s) e.g. Draytek Vigor 2500V / 2600V / 2900V / Zyxel
2602HW(L) / Zoom X5V.
Regards,
Martin |
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NEP
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:20 am Post subject:
Re: Skype without PC?? |
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You may use a new solution.
Peercall, that is a normal phone and just a simple VoIP phone have its own
no. Better to buy an adaptor and use your normal telephone.
Archifone, SIP/H.323 phone, you can have services to call to any normal
phone no. with calling rate. can use with mynetfone.
http://www.uni-net.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=4&id=76&Itemid=41
I had bought from them and very good quality. And there is a free software
version as well.
"BigBen" <go.spam@somewhere.else> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi All,
Have you found a gizmo that allows this, to use a "normal" phone (or
even fax) through Skype (Out) services? The simpler, the better, pls.
TIA,
JBR |
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NEP
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:25 am Post subject:
Re: Skype without PC?? correct |
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You may use a new solution.
Peercall, that is a normal phone and just a simple VoIP phone have its own
no. Better THAN buy an adaptor and use your normal telephone.
Archifone, SIP/H.323 phone, you can haveSIP services to call to any normal
phone no. with calling rate. can use with any SIP Provider.
http://www.uni-net.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=4&id=76&Itemid=41
I had bought from them and very good quality. And there is a free software
version as well. They apply the SIP services and setup for me as well.
"BigBen" <go.spam@somewhere.else> wrote in message
news:43569196.9133406@news20.forteinc.com...
| Quote: | Hi All,
Have you found a gizmo that allows this, to use a "normal" phone (or
even fax) through Skype (Out) services? The simpler, the better, pls.
TIA,
JBR |
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BigBen
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:34 am Post subject:
Re: Skype without PC?? |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:33:31 +0100, "Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote:
| Quote: | Impossible. Skype is just a bit of P2P software, you need a computer to use
it (as you do for IM and other similar programs). You can run a version on a
PDA
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This seems like a huge market oportunity for someone coming up with a
"phone" capable of running this P2P software, (updatable, naturally)
| Quote: | What you need is Analog Telephone Adapter (ATA) plugged to ethernet port on
your router and a SIP service provider. Or you can get a router with built
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Several friends of mine use Skype, none uses a SIP provider ...
SkypeIn numbers, in several countries, although yet not in mine, is
something I'm very interested in. Do SIP providers provide that?
The 2 SIP providers based in my country - Portugal - which I've tried,
have been a total disapointment to me so far - more than ounce I've
tried making a call through one of these SIP providers, I can hear the
called phone ringing, and apparently the call is not completed.
Next, I dial the same number using Skype, make the call on the first
attempt, and have a loud and clear conversation ...
Thank you very much for the info!
Cheers,
JBR |
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NEP
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:46 am Post subject:
Re: Skype without PC?? |
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If you are within Australia, you better the SIP services here, it is
fanastic.
http://www.uni-net.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=4&id=76&Itemid=41
And try out the link above of the software phone, that is free and also very
good quality.
"BigBen" <go.spam@somewhere.else> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:33:31 +0100, "Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote:
Impossible. Skype is just a bit of P2P software, you need a computer to
use
it (as you do for IM and other similar programs). You can run a version on
a
PDA
This seems like a huge market oportunity for someone coming up with a
"phone" capable of running this P2P software, (updatable, naturally)
What you need is Analog Telephone Adapter (ATA) plugged to ethernet port
on
your router and a SIP service provider. Or you can get a router with built
Several friends of mine use Skype, none uses a SIP provider ...
SkypeIn numbers, in several countries, although yet not in mine, is
something I'm very interested in. Do SIP providers provide that?
The 2 SIP providers based in my country - Portugal - which I've tried,
have been a total disapointment to me so far - more than ounce I've
tried making a call through one of these SIP providers, I can hear the
called phone ringing, and apparently the call is not completed.
Next, I dial the same number using Skype, make the call on the first
attempt, and have a loud and clear conversation ...
Thank you very much for the info!
Cheers,
JBR |
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Ivor Jones
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Skype without PC?? |
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"BigBen" <go.spam@somewhere.else> wrote in message
news:435ae39b.15203734@news20.forteinc.com
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:33:31 +0100, "Martin²"
never@give.one> wrote:
Impossible. Skype is just a bit of P2P software, you
need a computer to use it (as you do for IM and other
similar programs). You can run a version on a PDA
This seems like a huge market oportunity for someone
coming up with a "phone" capable of running this P2P
software, (updatable, naturally)
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To do that you'd need the source code, which Skype are not about to
release.
Why does it *have* to be Skype..? There are a whole load of other (and
IMHO better) services out there.
Ivor |
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BigBen
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:49 am Post subject:
Re: Skype without PC?? |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:18:14 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Why does it *have* to be Skype..? There are a whole load of other (and
IMHO better) services out there.
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Well, SkypeIn in several countries seems very attractive to me. I know
any other provider ofering that
My experience with Skype, is that even now, that I don't have broad
band for a few weeks, I can still make perfect calls, which I can not
say the SIP provider I (also) use.
Regards,
JBR |
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Martin²
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:07 am Post subject:
Re: Skype without PC?? |
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BigBen:
| Quote: | The 2 SIP providers based in my country - Portugal - which I've tried,
have been a total disapointment to me so far -
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The beauty of VoIP is that you can use SIP provider just about anywhere in
the world.
You can get a US SIP provider to give you a free US number, same in UK,
Germany etc.
There may be some hurdles to overcame, e.g. you may need to use a local
proxy server to register for the service, also make payment in foreign
currency etc.
Regards,
Martin |
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BigBen
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Skype without PC?? |
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:07:09 +0100, "Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote:
| Quote: | The beauty of VoIP is that you can use SIP provider just about anywhere in
the world.
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Indeed ... I'm temporally without broadband, and when get back to
using it, my upload speed won't higher than 128 Kbps.
While I could make perfect calls using Skype, I could hardly talk to
the tech support of the PT Sip provider I'm now using ... Imagine if
the connection had to go to somewhere further away ...
I do like very much the possibility of using an ATA converter, be able
to send/receive faxes over VoIP - and that Skype won't allow (at least
so far).
| Quote: | You can get a US SIP provider to give you a free US number, same in UK,
Germany etc.
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Right, but I'm not interested in using a collection of SIP providers.
Do you know any that will get me numbers in several countries - US,
UK. NL, FR, and since we're at it, PT
One disadvantage of Skype I must admit, is their tech spport is
practically non existant :-(
| Quote: | There may be some hurdles to overcame, e.g. you may need to use a local
proxy server to register for the service
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What are talking about??
| Quote: | , also make payment in foreign
currency etc.
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I'm used to that already - I get many bicycle parts from the UK, other
bits and pieces from the US (mostly when cousins are coming over),
etc.
Call me what you like, but I'm appalled by the existing multitude of
SIP providers :-()
Regards,
JBR |
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Georg Schwarz
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject:
Re: Skype without PC?? |
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BigBen <go.spam@somewhere.else> wrote:
| Quote: | Several friends of mine use Skype, none uses a SIP provider ...
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maybe it is a good opportunity to show then how easy it is.
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SkypeIn numbers, in several countries, although yet not in mine, is
something I'm very interested in. Do SIP providers provide that?
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of course. From many you can even get a telephone number for free.
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The 2 SIP providers based in my country - Portugal - which I've tried,
have been a total disapointment to me so far - more than ounce I've
tried making a call through one of these SIP providers, I can hear the
called phone ringing, and apparently the call is not completed.
Next, I dial the same number using Skype, make the call on the first
attempt, and have a loud and clear conversation ...
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as a start, try e.g. FreeWorldDialup.
What makes a difference is which software/hardware you use, because with
SIP you do have the choice. X-lite might be a good starting point.
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Georg Schwarz http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
georg.schwarz@freenet.de +49 178 8545053 |
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Georg Schwarz
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject:
Re: Skype without PC?? |
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BigBen <go.spam@somewhere.else> wrote:
| Quote: | Indeed ... I'm temporally without broadband, and when get back to
using it, my upload speed won't higher than 128 Kbps.
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I am also using ADSL 1024/128 kbps and I have so problems with SIP.
Maybe your SIP provider and/or your SIP client does not work too well.
| Quote: | I do like very much the possibility of using an ATA converter, be able
to send/receive faxes over VoIP - and that Skype won't allow (at least
so far).
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receiving faxes over VoIP makes little sense. There are providers who
give you a dedicated Fax number and forward to you any incoming faxes
(in e.g. PDF, TIFF, etc.) by email to the email address you specify.
Some of them are even doing so for free. I know such offeres in
Germany, Austria, and the US.
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Right, but I'm not interested in using a collection of SIP providers.
Do you know any that will get me numbers in several countries - US,
UK. NL, FR, and since we're at it, PT
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with the right software, e.g. X-Litte, you can stay registered with
several SIP proxies at the same time. All you need to do is configure
each SIP proxy once.
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One disadvantage of Skype I must admit, is their tech spport is
practically non existant :-(
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you get what you pay for. And besides, it's not only closed source, even
worse it's also uan ndocumented non-standard protocol.
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There may be some hurdles to overcame, e.g. you may need to use a local
proxy server to register for the service
What are talking about??
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well, for the services I tried so far, none of this was necessary.
(yes, I am behind a NAT)
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Georg Schwarz http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
georg.schwarz@freenet.de +49 178 8545053 |
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Martin²
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:22 am Post subject:
Re: Skype without PC?? |
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| Quote: | There may be some hurdles to overcame, e.g. you may need to use a local
proxy server to register for the service
What are talking about??
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Ok, an example, Sipgate.co.uk will give you a free UK number (you get a
choice of area code) if you register from a UK IP range, so if you are
outside UK, you have to register from via an UK proxy server.
Same for sipgate.de . There is an US provider with free Washington numbers,
can't remember the name right now.
Regards,
Martin |
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Ivor Jones
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Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:44 am Post subject:
Re: Skype without PC?? |
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"Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote in message
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| Quote: | There may be some hurdles to overcame, e.g. you may
need to use a local proxy server to register for the
service
What are talking about??
Ok, an example, Sipgate.co.uk will give you a free UK
number (you get a choice of area code) if you register
from a UK IP range, so if you are outside UK, you have to
register from via an UK proxy server. Same for sipgate.de . There is an
US provider with free
Washington numbers, can't remember the name right now.
Regards,
Martin
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www.ipkall.com - Washington State (360 area code) numbers. They plug Free
World Dialup on the site but you can route to any SIP provider.
Works well.
Ivor |
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Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
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Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:43 am Post subject:
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> writes:
| Quote: | www.ipkall.com - Washington State (360 area code) numbers. They plug Free
World Dialup on the site but you can route to any SIP provider.
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And if you have a static, routable address for your voip phone they
will even route directly to your phone -- no need for a SIP provider
at all.
Great service!
Agreed!
Although a think their success might be causing the network connection
to saturate once in a while, causing a few seconds of drop-out. I
don't notice as many drop outs when I get sip calls from my
colorado-based for-pay provider.
-wolfgang
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