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Matt
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject:
Voice Line Needed? |
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Hey all.....
I'm thinking about getting SBC DSL, but I had my voice line turned off
years ago, and use my mobile phone exclusively for voice.
I went to the SBC signup site, but I don't have a phone number to enter
on the form. (Entering a neighbors phone # confirms DSL is available in
my neighborhood, though).
Do I have to get a phone number before I can get DSL?
Also, assuming I ever do get DSL, I noticed that they have an option
for self install of the modem, which is what I will do. But I'm a bit
confused on this.... as I would have thought doing this would require
me to open up the telco side of the NIB... yes? |
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Neil W Rickert
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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"Matt" <mattmorgan64@msn.com> writes:
| Quote: | I went to the SBC signup site, but I don't have a phone number to enter
on the form. (Entering a neighbors phone # confirms DSL is available in
my neighborhood, though).
Do I have to get a phone number before I can get DSL?
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Currently, SBC requires a POTS line for DSL. You can try signing up
for the lowest cost minimal service phone line. Expect the sales
people to try talking you into something fancier.
| Quote: | Also, assuming I ever do get DSL, I noticed that they have an option
for self install of the modem, which is what I will do.
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The package will come with several filters (microfilters). You plug a
filter into the phone jack, and your phone into the filter.
You plug your modem into a different phone jack (no filter).
That's all it takes for self-install.
| Quote: | But I'm a bit
confused on this.... as I would have thought doing this would require
me to open up the telco side of the NIB... yes?
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It actually is better, particularly if you are some distance from the
CO (central office), to install a splitter in the NID. But that only
requires opening the customer side of the NID. |
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Bert Hyman
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:28 pm Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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mattmorgan64@msn.com (Matt) wrote in
news:1108573317.964636.281280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
| Quote: | Hey all.....
I'm thinking about getting SBC DSL, but I had my voice line turned
off years ago, and use my mobile phone exclusively for voice.
I went to the SBC signup site, but I don't have a phone number to
enter on the form. (Entering a neighbors phone # confirms DSL is
available in my neighborhood, though).
Do I have to get a phone number before I can get DSL?
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That's a matter of policy. Around here, Qwest offers "naked DSL"
which doesn't require you to have regular voice phone service.
If SBC offers the service in your area, the Web site is probably
designed to handle only the normal case, and you'll have to talk to a
real person to get DSL.
| Quote: | Also, assuming I ever do get DSL, I noticed that they have an
option for self install of the modem, which is what I will do. But
I'm a bit confused on this.... as I would have thought doing this
would require me to open up the telco side of the NIB... yes?
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In most DSL installations, especially self-installs, the DSL box
simply plugs into any available phone jack.
If you had a phone connected to that jack, you can then plug it into
another jack on the DSL box itself. Then you'll have to plug a filter
in the line to every other phone in the house. Since you're not using
voice service, you won't have to bother with that.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@visi.com |
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Matt
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:41 pm Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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| Thanks Mucho, Bert! |
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NormanM
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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In article <Xns95FF74D753E73VeebleFetzer@news.visi.com>, Bert Hyman says...
| Quote: | mattmorgan64@msn.com (Matt) wrote in
news:1108573317.964636.281280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Also, assuming I ever do get DSL, I noticed that they have an
option for self install of the modem, which is what I will do. But
I'm a bit confused on this.... as I would have thought doing this
would require me to open up the telco side of the NIB... yes?
In most DSL installations, especially self-installs, the DSL box
simply plugs into any available phone jack.
If you had a phone connected to that jack, you can then plug it into
another jack on the DSL box itself. Then you'll have to plug a filter
in the line to every other phone in the house. Since you're not using
voice service, you won't have to bother with that.
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I have never seen a DSL modem with a jack for telephone equipment. All the
newer DSL equipment I've seen issued by SBC looks similar to my old Westell
Wirespeed: Ethernet jack, modular telephone (RJ-11) jack, power supply jack.
The modem plugs directly into the premises network, but all other POTS
equipment (including satellite and cable boxes) has to have filters
installed. Filters come with the self-install kit.
--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint |
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Bert Hyman
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:55 pm Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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spammail@blackhole.invalid (NormanM) wrote in
news:MPG.1c7d27bfff2e6e699897b2@news.sf.sbcglobal.net:
| Quote: | In article <Xns95FF74D753E73VeebleFetzer@news.visi.com>, Bert Hyman
says...
mattmorgan64@msn.com (Matt) wrote in
news:1108573317.964636.281280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Also, assuming I ever do get DSL, I noticed that they have an
option for self install of the modem, which is what I will do.
But I'm a bit confused on this.... as I would have thought doing
this would require me to open up the telco side of the NIB...
yes?
In most DSL installations, especially self-installs, the DSL box
simply plugs into any available phone jack.
If you had a phone connected to that jack, you can then plug it
into another jack on the DSL box itself. Then you'll have to plug
a filter in the line to every other phone in the house. Since
you're not using voice service, you won't have to bother with
that.
I have never seen a DSL modem with a jack for telephone equipment.
All the newer DSL equipment I've seen issued by SBC looks similar
to my old Westell Wirespeed: Ethernet jack, modular telephone
(RJ-11) jack, power supply jack.
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I've used Cisco 675 & 678 and Actiontec 1524 and GT701, all of which
have a pass-through phone jack. Oddly though, the 678 still required
a filter on any phone connected to that jack.
| Quote: | The modem plugs directly into the premises network, but all other
POTS equipment (including satellite and cable boxes) has to have
filters installed. Filters come with the self-install kit.
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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@visi.com |
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Matt
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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I must have been thinking about ISDN or something.... for some reason I
was picturing a modem with about 3 twisted pairs hooked to it.... I had
no idea DSL simply plugged into the existing voice lines. That's pretty
cool, especially since at one point I had the telco replace the service
line to my house. and I've rewired all my jacks using cat5e. |
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Matt
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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| Thanks Neil! |
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Matt
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:20 am Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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Well, it's a done deal. Around $100/month got me a home phone #,
Dynamic IP DSL "Pro" package, and.... they also hornswaggled me into
getting DISH TV. I probably could of got a better deal, but I'm one of
those sad souls who can't negotiate or say no to a pretty voice.
But, up until last month I had been paying DirectTV for Satellite inet
and TV; around $150/month, so I don't feel so bad. |
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Kay Archer
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:56 am Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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"Matt" <mattmorgan64@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1108573317.964636.281280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Hey all.....
I'm thinking about getting SBC DSL, but I had my voice line turned off
years ago, and use my mobile phone exclusively for voice.
I went to the SBC signup site, but I don't have a phone number to enter
on the form. (Entering a neighbors phone # confirms DSL is available in
my neighborhood, though).
Do I have to get a phone number before I can get DSL?
Also, assuming I ever do get DSL, I noticed that they have an option
for self install of the modem, which is what I will do. But I'm a bit
confused on this.... as I would have thought doing this would require
me to open up the telco side of the NIB... yes?
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Yes, SBC and _some_ other DSL providers require that you have their phone
service. Other DSL providers will give you DSL without requiring you to
sign up for phone service.
In most cases, they will provide a minimal phone service on the less than
$10 per month level. |
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Kay Archer
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:04 am Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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"NormanM" <spammail@blackhole.invalid> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c7dbf68700a8a579897b7@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
| Quote: | In article <1108576692.419031.262980@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, Matt
says...
I must have been thinking about ISDN or something.... for some reason I
was picturing a modem with about 3 twisted pairs hooked to it.... I had
no idea DSL simply plugged into the existing voice lines. That's pretty
cool, especially since at one point I had the telco replace the service
line to my house. and I've rewired all my jacks using cat5e.
Bert Hyman says that he has had equipment with a telco passthrough, and it
is entirely possible that newer equipment does so. I have never seen it,
and
am not sure that it is even necessary. Only the Cayman router left by the
SBC/ASI tech had more ports; four Ethernet ports on the router side of the
equipment. Still only the Ethernet, telephone, and power supply jacks on
the
modem side.
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The currently (Feb 2005) shipping HomePortal/2Wire modems have 4 ethernet
ports (in addition to the 802.11g support). |
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NormanM
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:04 am Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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In article <1108576692.419031.262980@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, Matt
says...
| Quote: | I must have been thinking about ISDN or something.... for some reason I
was picturing a modem with about 3 twisted pairs hooked to it.... I had
no idea DSL simply plugged into the existing voice lines. That's pretty
cool, especially since at one point I had the telco replace the service
line to my house. and I've rewired all my jacks using cat5e.
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Bert Hyman says that he has had equipment with a telco passthrough, and it
is entirely possible that newer equipment does so. I have never seen it, and
am not sure that it is even necessary. Only the Cayman router left by the
SBC/ASI tech had more ports; four Ethernet ports on the router side of the
equipment. Still only the Ethernet, telephone, and power supply jacks on the
modem side.
--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint |
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Neil W Rickert
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:04 am Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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"Matt" <mattmorgan64@msn.com> writes:
| Quote: | Well, it's a done deal. Around $100/month got me a home phone #,
Dynamic IP DSL "Pro" package, and.... they also hornswaggled me into
getting DISH TV. I probably could of got a better deal, but I'm one of
those sad souls who can't negotiate or say no to a pretty voice.
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I did warn you not to be talked into an expensive package.
Actually, I hear that DISH is a pretty good deal. |
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Bert Hyman
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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spammail@blackhole.invalid (NormanM) wrote in
news:MPG.1c7dbf68700a8a579897b7@news.sf.sbcglobal.net:
| Quote: | In article <1108576692.419031.262980@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Matt says...
I must have been thinking about ISDN or something.... for some
reason I was picturing a modem with about 3 twisted pairs hooked
to it.... I had no idea DSL simply plugged into the existing voice
lines. That's pretty cool, especially since at one point I had the
telco replace the service line to my house. and I've rewired all
my jacks using cat5e.
Bert Hyman says that he has had equipment with a telco passthrough,
and it is entirely possible that newer equipment does so. I have
never seen it, and am not sure that it is even necessary.
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Depends on how your system is laid out, I suppose. Since my router
used to sit on my desk in the den, plugged into the phone jack where
my desk phone used to go, having the pass-through jack was quite
useful to me. My new Actiontec GT701 router sits on the equipment
shelf behind the stereo/video equipment and occupies the phone jack
that my Dish Network satellite receiver should connect to; the Dish
receiver is now connected to the GT701's pass-through jack.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@visi.com |
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Matt
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:15 am Post subject:
Re: Voice Line Needed? |
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Hey all.
Just wanted to update ya.
Got the modem tonight.... plugged it in, ran the software.
And to my complete surprise and utter amazement - EVERYTHING WORKED on
the first try.
I was even able to configure some port settings in the router.
I am in complete amazement, as this is the FIRST TIME in 25 years of
working with HW/SW that something commercially available worked the
first time, and was more or less idiot proof.
So, thanks everyone.
And if anyone from SWBell or whoever put this package together -
Good job, thumbs way up. |
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