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MysticForest
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:33 am Post subject:
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Just to warn you its gonna be stupid. I have never messed wit
networking so i dont know the basics.
Anyway... Verizon says that you can connect 2 or 3 more computers wit
a modem. How exactly? I was looking around... Do i actually need t
buy a hub in order to hook up additional computers? Or can i actuall
just use this one modem for 2 computers?
Just so you know my modem is Westell 2200.
Sorry for the stupid n00b question
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Dan Swartzendruber
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:49 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid n00b DSL Verizon Question |
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In article <1102887907.26d8e769a2f231652ac1f664b390a8f1@teranews>,
MysticForest.1h6855@no-mx.earth.universe.org says...
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Just to warn you its gonna be stupid. I have never messed with
networking so i dont know the basics.
Anyway... Verizon says that you can connect 2 or 3 more computers with
a modem. How exactly? I was looking around... Do i actually need to
buy a hub in order to hook up additional computers? Or can i actually
just use this one modem for 2 computers?
Just so you know my modem is Westell 2200.
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Presumably it only has one ethernet port on the back, so you can only
connect one PC. If you connect that single port to a hub or switch, you
can plug multiple PCs into that hub or switch.
| Quote: | Sorry for the stupid n00b question!
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No prob. |
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Art Jackson
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:00 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid n00b DSL Verizon Question |
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Dan Swartzendruber wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1102887907.26d8e769a2f231652ac1f664b390a8f1@teranews>,
MysticForest.1h6855@no-mx.earth.universe.org says...
Just to warn you its gonna be stupid. I have never messed with
networking so i dont know the basics.
Anyway... Verizon says that you can connect 2 or 3 more computers with
a modem. How exactly? I was looking around... Do i actually need to
buy a hub in order to hook up additional computers? Or can i actually
just use this one modem for 2 computers?
Just so you know my modem is Westell 2200.
Presumably it only has one ethernet port on the back, so you can only
connect one PC. If you connect that single port to a hub or switch, you
can plug multiple PCs into that hub or switch.
Sorry for the stupid n00b question!
No prob.
The Westell 2100/2200 modems are capable of using 4 computers via an |
ethernet hub or switch. They have builtin Firewall/NAT/Router. Nice DSL
modems. |
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David H. Lipman
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 7:42 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid n00b DSL Verizon Question |
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Actually... you can have up to 253 computers when the Westell 2200 is in the Router mode and
not in the Bridge mode.
Dave
"Art Jackson" <nospam@ringading.buz> wrote in message
news:XLWdnfRJZdI1dCHcRVn-qA@adelphia.com...
| The Westell 2100/2200 modems are capable of using 4 computers via an
| ethernet hub or switch. They have builtin Firewall/NAT/Router. Nice DSL
| modems. |
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David H. Lipman
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 7:44 am Post subject:
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I think you'll find it MORE beneficial to use Verizon's News Server - news.verizon.net and
take advantage of the; 0.verizon.adsl News Group for questions such as this one.
news://news.verizon.net/0.verizon.adsl
Dave
"MysticForest" <MysticForest.1h6855@no-mx.earth.universe.org> wrote in message
news:1102887907.26d8e769a2f231652ac1f664b390a8f1@teranews...
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| Just to warn you its gonna be stupid. I have never messed with
| networking so i dont know the basics.
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| Anyway... Verizon says that you can connect 2 or 3 more computers with
| a modem. How exactly? I was looking around... Do i actually need to
| buy a hub in order to hook up additional computers? Or can i actually
| just use this one modem for 2 computers?
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| Just so you know my modem is Westell 2200.
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| Sorry for the stupid n00b question!
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John
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:17 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid n00b DSL Verizon Question |
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Can you have more 253 computer for a dsl line. I assume you can do subnet
and nat for internet access.
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
news:Yj7vd.5547$Qp.4609@trnddc01...
| Quote: | Actually... you can have up to 253 computers when the Westell 2200 is in
the Router mode and
not in the Bridge mode.
Dave
"Art Jackson" <nospam@ringading.buz> wrote in message
news:XLWdnfRJZdI1dCHcRVn-qA@adelphia.com...
| The Westell 2100/2200 modems are capable of using 4 computers via an
| ethernet hub or switch. They have builtin Firewall/NAT/Router. Nice DSL
| modems.
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David H. Lipman
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:58 pm Post subject:
Re: Stupid n00b DSL Verizon Question |
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No. That's the max due to the mask of 255.255.255.0 That leaves 255 nodes. Minus the
gateway and the address .255 which is not defined so that leaves 253 nodes on the LAN side
of the Router.
Dave
"John" <tchia60@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:hXsvd.10831$sr2.5965@trndny02...
| Can you have more 253 computer for a dsl line. I assume you can do subnet
| and nat for internet access.
| "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
| news:Yj7vd.5547$Qp.4609@trnddc01...
| > Actually... you can have up to 253 computers when the Westell 2200 is in
| the Router mode and
| > not in the Bridge mode.
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| > Dave
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| > "Art Jackson" <nospam@ringading.buz> wrote in message
| > news:XLWdnfRJZdI1dCHcRVn-qA@adelphia.com...
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| > | The Westell 2100/2200 modems are capable of using 4 computers via an
| > | ethernet hub or switch. They have builtin Firewall/NAT/Router. Nice DSL
| > | modems.
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mimiseh
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:02 pm Post subject:
Re: Stupid n00b DSL Verizon Question |
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What is going to happen if a site which has more 255 PC. Correct me if I
am wrong. Right now, I has a site with DIA(T-1) for internet access and it
was subnet to 3 vlan(about 500 PC) and was able to nat all 3 subnet to one
valid ip address without any problem. Is this a limitation of DSL, you can
only allow up to 253 PC for one DSL line. I like to clarify this before I
dump the DIA(T-1) line for DSL. Thanks...
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
news:izAvd.4396$lZ6.1517@trnddc02...
| Quote: | No. That's the max due to the mask of 255.255.255.0 That leaves 255
nodes. Minus the
gateway and the address .255 which is not defined so that leaves 253 nodes
on the LAN side
of the Router.
Dave
"John" <tchia60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hXsvd.10831$sr2.5965@trndny02...
| Can you have more 253 computer for a dsl line. I assume you can do
subnet
| and nat for internet access.
| "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
| news:Yj7vd.5547$Qp.4609@trnddc01...
| > Actually... you can have up to 253 computers when the Westell 2200 is
in
| the Router mode and
| > not in the Bridge mode.
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| > Dave
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| > "Art Jackson" <nospam@ringading.buz> wrote in message
| > news:XLWdnfRJZdI1dCHcRVn-qA@adelphia.com...
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| > | The Westell 2100/2200 modems are capable of using 4 computers via an
| > | ethernet hub or switch. They have builtin Firewall/NAT/Router. Nice
DSL
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David Mahon
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:15 pm Post subject:
Re: Stupid n00b DSL Verizon Question |
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In article <E0Fvd.10$Xs6.3225@news.uswest.net>, mimiseh
<mimiseh@aol.com> writes
| Quote: | What is going to happen if a site which has more 255 PC. Correct me if I
am wrong. Right now, I has a site with DIA(T-1) for internet access and it
was subnet to 3 vlan(about 500 PC) and was able to nat all 3 subnet to one
valid ip address without any problem. Is this a limitation of DSL, you can
only allow up to 253 PC for one DSL line. I like to clarify this before I
dump the DIA(T-1) line for DSL. Thanks...
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It's a limitation of some (ie most of the cheap) NAT routers, including
NAT implementations built into (cheap) DSL modems. There are others (eg
Cisco) that will allow larger ranges (eg 10.0.0.0 subnet 255.0.0.0) or
multiple ranges.
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Robert Redelmeier
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:59 pm Post subject:
Re: Stupid n00b DSL Verizon Question |
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David Mahon <news@amigo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <E0Fvd.10$Xs6.3225@news.uswest.net>, mimiseh
mimiseh@aol.com> writes
What is going to happen if a site which has more 255 PC. Correct me if I
am wrong. Right now, I has a site with DIA(T-1) for internet access and it
was subnet to 3 vlan(about 500 PC) and was able to nat all 3 subnet to one
valid ip address without any problem. Is this a limitation of DSL, you can
only allow up to 253 PC for one DSL line. I like to clarify this before I
dump the DIA(T-1) line for DSL. Thanks...
It's a limitation of some (ie most of the cheap) NAT routers, including
NAT implementations built into (cheap) DSL modems. There are others (eg
Cisco) that will allow larger ranges (eg 10.0.0.0 subnet 255.0.0.0) or
multiple ranges.
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At the point of having more than 253-5 PCs, I'd think a more
sophisticated router / firewall would be necessary and
desireable for service quality. A 486 running Linux.
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David H. Lipman
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:46 am Post subject:
Re: Stupid n00b DSL Verizon Question |
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Exactly. SOHO NAT Routers are not meant for corporations. They are cheap, limited and
their latency is too high. They are meant for smaller orgs.
Dave
"David Mahon" <news@amigo.co.uk> wrote in message news:L2IWRgMI3yvBFwEq@earth.amigo.co.uk...
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| It's a limitation of some (ie most of the cheap) NAT routers, including
| NAT implementations built into (cheap) DSL modems. There are others (eg
| Cisco) that will allow larger ranges (eg 10.0.0.0 subnet 255.0.0.0) or
| multiple ranges.
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David Mahon
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:34 pm Post subject:
Re: Stupid n00b DSL Verizon Question |
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In article <qOKvd.4632$Z%1.1890@trnddc03>, David H. Lipman
<DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> writes
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"David Mahon" <news@amigo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:L2IWRgMI3yvBFwEq@earth.amigo.co.uk...
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| It's a limitation of some (ie most of the cheap) NAT routers, including
| NAT implementations built into (cheap) DSL modems. There are others (eg
| Cisco) that will allow larger ranges (eg 10.0.0.0 subnet 255.0.0.0) or
| multiple ranges.
Exactly. SOHO NAT Routers are not meant for corporations. They are
cheap, limited and
their latency is too high. They are meant for smaller orgs.
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But to answer the question posed, it can be done and if DSL bandwidth
and SLA is enough (possibly with multiple bonded DSL lines) for you, it
works out much cheaper than SDSL or leased lines. It's still much
cheaper even when you take into account the cost of a decent router
(perhaps $500).
I have over 256 real (routeable) IPs handled on a DSL line (although I
could easily configure the use of NAT if it were appropriate). I use a
dedicated box (<http://www.firebrick.co.uk/>) that is a firewall and
handles multiple DSL lines as well as being a router + DHCP server, in
addition to a standard (ie cheap) DSL router (with a few static routes
set up).
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