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Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:01 am Post subject:
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Hi all! I wonder how can I get the internet connection for free, if I
have the SSID, Channel and 128 bit WEP key of an AP. I have LinSys
bridge, but I don't have wireless card. I'm able to use my bridge to
scan ssid and mac address, but not ip. How can I obtain the an ip and
internet connection? Thanks in advance! |
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Walter Roberson
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:01 am Post subject:
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In article <1106983647.871535.161400@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Stanley <xstanley007@yahoo.com> wrote:
:Thanks so much for your reply. There's no such law in country, and you
:can do what ever you want as there's no cyber law.
What is the "The Protection of Communications Secrets Act" then,
if not cyber law? As is a WEP key not a "private key" under
the Digital Signatures Act? Is using someone else's IP to access
any commercial site not a violation of the owner's right to
"control the commercial use of his or her identity", such as
been upheld in court cases?
:If something went
:wrong, there's nothing involved with you. I really need your answer!
:Please help me!
If you really need an IP, then I suggestion you go and talk to the
system owner and politely ask for one.
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This is not the same .sig the second time you read it. |
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Stanley
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:01 am Post subject:
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Thanks so much for your reply. There's no such law in country, and you
can do what ever you want as there's no cyber law. If something went
wrong, there's nothing involved with you. I really need your answer!
Please help me! |
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Walter Roberson
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:01 am Post subject:
Re: Obtain internet connection |
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In article <1106979978.510379.14330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
<xstanley007@yahoo.com> wrote:
:Hi all! I wonder how can I get the internet connection for free, if I
:have the SSID, Channel and 128 bit WEP key of an AP. I have LinSys
:bridge, but I don't have wireless card. I'm able to use my bridge to
:scan ssid and mac address, but not ip. How can I obtain the an ip and
:internet connection? Thanks in advance!
If you had authorization from the AP owner then you would have
been given an IP to use.
If you don't have authorization from the AP owner, then is what
you propose to do legal in your jurisdiction (South Korea?)
It would certainly not be legal in my jurisdiction (Canada).
It -probably- isn't legal in the USA (someone would have to
appeal a court case up fairly high to be find out whether it
would be illegal wiretapping, violation of the computer abuse
statutes, "theft by conversion", or illegal transmissions
under FCC regulations.)
You'll have to excuse me not telling you... I don't want to risk
an "aiding and abetting" or "conspiracy to commit" a crime charge
by the local authorities.
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"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
-- not Twain, perhaps Disraeli, first quoted by Leonard Courtney |
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James Knott
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Obtain internet connection |
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xstanley007@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Hi all! I wonder how can I get the internet connection for free, if I
have the SSID, Channel and 128 bit WEP key of an AP. I have LinSys
bridge, but I don't have wireless card. I'm able to use my bridge to
scan ssid and mac address, but not ip. How can I obtain the an ip and
internet connection? Thanks in advance!
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If you don't have permission to use that AP, it's called "theft of
services". If you have permission, the owner will be able to help you. |
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jpd
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:21 pm Post subject:
Re: Obtain internet connection |
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Begin <ctfdfo$9hd$1@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca>
On 2005-01-29, Walter Roberson <roberson@ibd.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1106979978.510379.14330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
xstanley007@yahoo.com> wrote:
[spoon-feed me how to steal someone elses bandwidth]
If you had authorization from the AP owner then you would have
been given an IP to use.
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Which is the important point, of course. If it really is that important,
OP should talk to the owner of the AP and see if a deal can be made.
| Quote: | If you don't have authorization from the AP owner, then is what
you propose to do legal in your jurisdiction (South Korea?)
It would certainly not be legal in my jurisdiction (Canada).
It -probably- isn't legal in the USA (someone would have to
appeal a court case up fairly high to be find out whether it
would be illegal wiretapping, violation of the computer abuse
statutes, "theft by conversion", or illegal transmissions
under FCC regulations.)
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An interesting question, if a bit off-topic-ish for this froup, but
anyway. Wiretapping, as in the recording of legally protected signals,
or illegal transmissions, I'd not buy, since the frequencies 802.11 uses
are free to use without licence. This in .eu and .us and .ca and a host
of other countries, possibly .kr too. By the same token, I don't think
associating with an AP, while playing by the rules of 802.11[3], should
count as interference, or anything else illegal, regardless of ownership
of the AP.
I know it isn't followed completely, everywhere, but I like the
convention of Rome on this topic a lot, which AIUI basically says that
you can try and receive anything you want. This I see as sensible,
because, while sending equipment is relatively easy to locate by its
transmissions, this doesn't follow for receiving equipment as easily.
But, and here's the catch, what you do with the information obtained is
another matter entirely. Then again, we don't know _how_ the OP obtained
the key.
Which leaves "theft by conversion" (I don't know what that is) or
computer abuse, which OP indicates isn't regulated in his country. I'd
add "theft of service", since ``the wireless'' isn't a goal but a means
to an end. I'd take the service being encrypted as a big hint that the
owner or payer-of-the-internet-service-bills hasn't given permission, so
even without ``digital regulations'', it is a kind of theft or abuse[2],
this way or another.
| Quote: | You'll have to excuse me not telling you... I don't want to risk
an "aiding and abetting" or "conspiracy to commit" a crime charge
by the local authorities.
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Especially not when supposedly the manual of the device the OP wants
to use will explain a) if the device supports the intended mode of
operation, and if so, b) in detail how to configure it to that end.
(Oooh, look! criminal manuals![1])
[1] I'm thinking ``betamax'' here. This doesn't mean such will apply
for jurisdictions elsewhere.
[2] The gravity of the offense I'll not measure here.
[3] As accepted by local rules, etc.
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j p d (at) d s b (dot) t u d e l f t (dot) n l . |
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Robert Redelmeier
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:00 pm Post subject:
Re: Obtain internet connection |
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jpd <read_the_sig@do.not.spam.it.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | I know it isn't followed completely, everywhere, but I like the
convention of Rome on this topic a lot, which AIUI basically says
that you can try and receive anything you want.
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I'd like a reference please. AFAIK, the UK and many EU
countries licence and tax TV (&radio) receivers. Is this
"freedom to receive"?
| Quote: | This I see as sensible, because, while sending equipment
is relatively easy to locate by its transmissions, this
doesn't follow for receiving equipment as easily.
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Maybe not, but the British drive "TV Dectector" vans around.
I believe most of these are bogus, but I believe TVs do have
a circuit that can be detected at least when powered on.
| Quote: | Which leaves "theft by conversion" (I don't know what that
is) or computer abuse, which OP indicates isn't regulated
in his country.
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Cracking into computers is legal in .kr??? I'd be very surprised
if the chaebol would tolerate this. A WAP is a small computer
(usually with a MIPS CPU) and a nice web interface. Most keep
access logs, and I check mine regularly for interlopers.
-- Robert |
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Dr. Anton T. Squeegee
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:12 pm Post subject:
Re: Obtain internet connection |
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In article <1106979978.510379.14330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
xstanley007@yahoo.com says...
| Quote: | Hi all! I wonder how can I get the internet connection for free, if I
have the SSID, Channel and 128 bit WEP key of an AP. I have LinSys
bridge, but I don't have wireless card. I'm able to use my bridge to
scan ssid and mac address, but not ip. How can I obtain the an ip and
internet connection? Thanks in advance!
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Many public libraries have free Internet access via wireless node.
Googling for "Free Wireless Access" gains hundreds of hits.
As for the rest: Since there are so many open access points Out
There, why are you even bothering to try and crack what is clearly a
secured site? Do you have any idea of the trouble that can get you into?
Try being nice and asking the site's owner if you can have access.
--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute.
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with surreal ports?" |
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James Knott
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject:
Re: Obtain internet connection |
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Dr. Anton T. Squeegee wrote:
| Quote: | Hi all! I wonder how can I get the internet connection for free, if I
have the SSID, Channel and 128 bit WEP key of an AP. I have LinSys
bridge, but I don't have wireless card. I'm able to use my bridge to
scan ssid and mac address, but not ip. How can I obtain the an ip and
internet connection? Thanks in advance!
Many public libraries have free Internet access via wireless node.
Googling for "Free Wireless Access" gains hundreds of hits.
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There's nothing wrong with using an AP, that the owner has provided for
public use. However, if they're using WEP, that usually means restricted
access. |
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NormanM
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:17 am Post subject:
Re: Obtain internet connection |
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In article <361rgoF4r8nqtU1@individual.net>, jpd says...
| Quote: | Which leaves "theft by conversion" (I don't know what that is)...
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I am not actually qualified to explain this, but I think it has something to
do with obtaining value by using objects which you don't own. Something like
selling Internet access through your residential ISP account. You don't own
the ISP network, or the connection. Most ISPs prohibit such sharing; using
the boundaries of the premises as the demarcation in order to allow
households to have multiple computers sharing the connection, while still
prohibiting sharing the connection with the neighbors.
--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint |
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Walter Roberson
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:19 am Post subject:
Re: Obtain internet connection |
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In article <361rgoF4r8nqtU1@individual.net>,
jpd <read_the_sig@do.not.spam.it.invalid> wrote:
:An interesting question, if a bit off-topic-ish for this froup, but
:anyway. Wiretapping, as in the recording of legally protected signals,
:or illegal transmissions, I'd not buy, since the frequencies 802.11 uses
:are free to use without licence.
It's more complicated than that, at least in the US. The
frequencies are only free to use without a license for certain -kinds-
of transmissions -- certain data formats, certain power levels.
It isn't a free-for-all band -- and the fact that one does not
require a license within those allowed uses doesn't mean that it
is legal to intercept and decode encrypted transmissions within
those bands. It's been a few months since I looked at the material,
but if I recall correctly, the applicable FCC regulations specifically
disallow interception in the case of encrypted transmissions in
that frequency range.
:This in .eu and .us and .ca and a host
:of other countries, possibly .kr too. By the same token, I don't think
:associating with an AP, while playing by the rules of 802.11[3], should
:count as interference, or anything else illegal, regardless of ownership
:of the AP.
An AP is a "computer" within the meaning of US and Canadian law.
Both countries prohibit accessing computers without the owner's
permission. [The only exception in US law is that it isn't illegal
to hack on an information kiosk computer: US law presumes that if
you are able to convince the kiosk computer to do something then
you were authorized to do that by the people who provided the
computer. I'm not sure why they singled out such systems as being
exempt.]
:Which leaves "theft by conversion" (I don't know what that is) or
I do not think I can write a precise definition, so I will give some
examples. Theft by conversion includes:
- tapping into someone's phone line in order to place toll calls without
paying for them
- hooking up to a neighbour's cable TV in order to not have to pay
the cable company yourself
- relaying email (e.g., spam) through a computer system so that
the resources of that computer system go into delivering the messages
instead of having your own computer tied up [recall here that
one relayed email message can have *many* recipients listed... thousands.]
- using someone else's internet connection without authorization so
as to not have to pay for a connection yourself
As a rough approximation, "theft by conversion" deals with the
obtaining of a thing of value by misuse of an intengible, such
as a service [including the labour sense of 'service' as well as
the electronic sense.] Possibly it has some other meanings as well,
such as if one were to secretly break windows in order to gain
business in your window repair or replacement shop. You don't
literally take away a tangible object, but you illicitly gain value.
"Theft of service" could be one kind of "Theft by conversion".
Both are, I believe, lay terms for matters spelt out in more detail
in law... no-one wants to have to quote a 25 subparagraph law
in order to give the general sense of what is being talked about.
:computer abuse, which OP indicates isn't regulated in his country.
If his country is South Korea, as the posting IP would seem to
indicate, I'm not convinced that it is not regulated: I found
references to specific initiatives and crime units and court cases
involving computer abuse in South Korea.
--
Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature.
-- Rich Kulawiec |
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NormanM
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:24 am Post subject:
Re: Obtain internet connection |
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In article <Ht6dnV08fdeYRmbcRVn-qw@rogers.com>, James Knott says...
| Quote: | Dr. Anton T. Squeegee wrote:
Hi all! I wonder how can I get the internet connection for free, if I
have the SSID, Channel and 128 bit WEP key of an AP. I have LinSys
bridge, but I don't have wireless card. I'm able to use my bridge to
scan ssid and mac address, but not ip. How can I obtain the an ip and
internet connection? Thanks in advance!
Many public libraries have free Internet access via wireless node.
Googling for "Free Wireless Access" gains hundreds of hits.
There's nothing wrong with using an AP, that the owner has provided for
public use. However, if they're using WEP, that usually means restricted
access.
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The catch with that statement is that there are many APs which can be
accessed because the owner is too lazy to secure the AP, yet which should
not be accessed because the owner of the AP is not the owner of the network
the AP accesses. In the U.S., at least, most residential ISP accounts
prohibit sharing the ISP connection with non-members of the household. The
account holder could lose his account, and the person accessing the AP could
still be charged with theft of service from the ISP, as well.
--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint |
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James Knott
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:45 am Post subject:
Re: Obtain internet connection |
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NormanM wrote:
| Quote: | The catch with that statement is that there are many APs which can be
accessed because the owner is too lazy to secure the AP, yet which should
not be accessed because the owner of the AP is not the owner of the
network the AP accesses. In the U.S., at least, most residential ISP
accounts prohibit sharing the ISP connection with non-members of the
household. The account holder could lose his account, and the person
accessing the AP could still be charged with theft of service from the
ISP, as well.
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Unlocked APs are similar to unlocked doors. You can't walk into someone's
home, unless you're invited in. As for account sharing, that's another
issue and many businesses do share, according to the terms of their
contract with the ISP. Home accounts are generally restricted from such
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Dr. Anton T. Squeegee
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:43 am Post subject:
Re: Obtain internet connection |
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In article <Ht6dnV08fdeYRmbcRVn-qw@rogers.com>, james.knott@rogers.com
says...
| Quote: | Dr. Anton T. Squeegee wrote:
Hi all! I wonder how can I get the internet connection for free, if I
have the SSID, Channel and 128 bit WEP key of an AP. I have LinSys
bridge, but I don't have wireless card. I'm able to use my bridge to
scan ssid and mac address, but not ip. How can I obtain the an ip and
internet connection? Thanks in advance!
Many public libraries have free Internet access via wireless node.
Googling for "Free Wireless Access" gains hundreds of hits.
There's nothing wrong with using an AP, that the owner has provided for
public use. However, if they're using WEP, that usually means restricted
access.
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My point exactly. I've come across (and used) plenty of free/open
access nodes. The one the original poster was referring to, though, is
apparently using WEP.
While WEP is not exactly secure (crackable in a matter of hours),
it is still the electronic equivalent of a "No Trespassing" sign. I tend
to take such things seriously.
Keep the peace(es).
--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute.
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with surreal ports?" |
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Robert Redelmeier
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:54 pm Post subject:
Re: Obtain internet connection |
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NormanM <spammail@blackhole.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | The catch with that statement is that there are many APs which
can be accessed because the owner is too lazy to secure the AP,
yet which should not be accessed because the owner of the AP
is not the owner of the network the AP accesses.
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Not quite. Every AP is it's own small network that usually
has routing to an ISP. But is a separate network, usually
with private IP addresses and the router does NAT.
| Quote: | In the U.S., at least, most residential ISP accounts prohibit
sharing the ISP connection with non-members of the household.
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They may even prohibit sharing within the household.
This is a contractual matter.
| Quote: | The account holder could lose his account, and the person
accessing the AP could still be charged with theft of
service from the ISP, as well.
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Perhaps, it will depend very much on state law. I doubt the ISP
will be able to press charges (the tap is not on their equipment),
although the account holder might (in exchange for restitution
by the ISP). OTOH, an open WAP might be viewed as an invitation
to access, and not an unlocked closed door. A user might not
be aware of where they're accessing, or indeed that they're not
accessing their own WAP.
-- Robert |
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