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larrymoencurly
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:00 pm Post subject:
Qwest DSL without ISP? |
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I recently ordered Qwest DSL with MSN but installed it without the MSN
part, yet everything seems to work fine. Is this normal? Is it
possible that my old dial-up ISP, CompuServe (budget AOL) is somehow
still working as the ISP, even though I uninstalled its software? |
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Neil W Rickert
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:51 pm Post subject:
Re: Qwest DSL without ISP? |
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larrymoencurly@my-deja.com (larrymoencurly) writes:
| Quote: | I recently ordered Qwest DSL with MSN but installed it without the MSN
part, yet everything seems to work fine. Is this normal?
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Presumably Qwest is your ISP.
What was the question?
| Quote: | Is it
possible that my old dial-up ISP, CompuServe (budget AOL) is somehow
still working as the ISP, even though I uninstalled its software?
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Unlikely.
If Qwest did not load up your computer with a truck load of useless
software, be thankful. You don't need any of the flashy stuff that
some ISPs provide. Your standard software gives you most of what you
need. All you need from your ISP (qwest) is a pipeline to the
internet. Hmm -- you might also need to configure their mail servers
into your software if you intend doing any email.
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Dan Swartzendruber
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:19 pm Post subject:
Re: Qwest DSL without ISP? |
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In article <co4rgr$1fp$1@usenet.cso.niu.edu>, rickert+nn@cs.niu.edu
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larrymoencurly@my-deja.com (larrymoencurly) writes:
I recently ordered Qwest DSL with MSN but installed it without the MSN
part, yet everything seems to work fine. Is this normal?
Presumably Qwest is your ISP.
What was the question?
Is it
possible that my old dial-up ISP, CompuServe (budget AOL) is somehow
still working as the ISP, even though I uninstalled its software?
Unlikely.
If Qwest did not load up your computer with a truck load of useless
software, be thankful. You don't need any of the flashy stuff that
some ISPs provide. Your standard software gives you most of what you
need. All you need from your ISP (qwest) is a pipeline to the
internet. Hmm -- you might also need to configure their mail servers
into your software if you intend doing any email.
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Well, I set my dad (AOL user, sorry!) with "bare DSL" from Qwest. 256kb
up and down. It was a hassle because we had to say the exact right
incantation to the qwest saleslady that we didn't want qwest as an ISP,
but it eventually was straightened out. Dunno why the OP ordered it
with MSN but doesn't use it... It was pretty easy to switch him from
dialup AOL to TCP/IP and then change his AOL billing plan (which saved
around $9/month.) |
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David Efflandt
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:43 pm Post subject:
Re: Qwest DSL without ISP? |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Dan Swartzendruber <dswartz@druber.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <co4rgr$1fp$1@usenet.cso.niu.edu>, rickert+nn@cs.niu.edu
says...
larrymoencurly@my-deja.com (larrymoencurly) writes:
I recently ordered Qwest DSL with MSN but installed it without the MSN
part, yet everything seems to work fine. Is this normal?
Presumably Qwest is your ISP.
What was the question?
If Qwest did not load up your computer with a truck load of useless
software, be thankful. You don't need any of the flashy stuff that
some ISPs provide. Your standard software gives you most of what you
need. All you need from your ISP (qwest) is a pipeline to the
internet. Hmm -- you might also need to configure their mail servers
into your software if you intend doing any email.
Well, I set my dad (AOL user, sorry!) with "bare DSL" from Qwest. 256kb
up and down. It was a hassle because we had to say the exact right
incantation to the qwest saleslady that we didn't want qwest as an ISP,
but it eventually was straightened out. Dunno why the OP ordered it
with MSN but doesn't use it... It was pretty easy to switch him from
dialup AOL to TCP/IP and then change his AOL billing plan (which saved
around $9/month.)
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ISP is "Internet Service Provider", which is how you connect to the
internet, like dialup, DSL, cable, etc. So it would be confusing if you
told a Qwest saleslady that you didn't want Quest as an ISP, because that
would mean you did NOT want their DSL.
Other services for mail, etc. like MSN, AOL, etc. may or may not be
related to your ISP, but are NOT considered your ISP if you are not using
their dialup, DSL, cable, etc. to physically connect to the internet and
can connect to it from any unrelated internet connection.
So if someone did get Qwest DSL with MSN, Quest is the ISP, and MSN is
something else. |
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larrymoencurly
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:48 am Post subject:
Re: Qwest DSL without ISP? |
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Dan Swartzendruber <dswartz@druber.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1c0fc207fdecaf989697@news.giganews.com>...
| Quote: | Dunno why the OP ordered it with MSN but doesn't use it...
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I couldn't get a straight answer from Qwest on whether I needed an ISP
or not, and people in news groups and at www.dslreports.com said that
DLS wouldn't give me Internet access without an ISP.
| Quote: | It was pretty easy to switch him from dialup AOL to TCP/IP and then
change his AOL billing plan (which saved around $9/month.)
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I've used CompuServe, $9.94 a month from Wal-mart. |
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:58 am Post subject:
Re: Qwest DSL without ISP? |
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In article <755e968a.0411261348.1baa2ec7@posting.google.com>,
larrymoencurly <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I couldn't get a straight answer from Qwest on whether I needed an ISP
or not, and people in news groups and at www.dslreports.com said that
DLS wouldn't give me Internet access without an ISP.
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This is correct. Qwest only provides an ATM virtual circuit over the DSL
connection. You still need someone (the ISP) to terminate the ATM virtual
circuit and route your IP packets to/from the internet. I would guess,
that from your original post, MSN is indeed acting as your ISP. My mother
has a Qwest/MSN DSL connection, and it is functional without needing to
run any of the MSN software. |
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Dan Swartzendruber
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 7:50 am Post subject:
Re: Qwest DSL without ISP? |
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In article <slrncqeqq1.ppa.efflandt@typhoon.xnet.com>, efflandt@xnet.com
says...
| Quote: | Well, I set my dad (AOL user, sorry!) with "bare DSL" from Qwest. 256kb
up and down. It was a hassle because we had to say the exact right
incantation to the qwest saleslady that we didn't want qwest as an ISP,
but it eventually was straightened out. Dunno why the OP ordered it
with MSN but doesn't use it... It was pretty easy to switch him from
dialup AOL to TCP/IP and then change his AOL billing plan (which saved
around $9/month.)
ISP is "Internet Service Provider", which is how you connect to the
internet, like dialup, DSL, cable, etc. So it would be confusing if you
told a Qwest saleslady that you didn't want Quest as an ISP, because that
would mean you did NOT want their DSL.
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Thanks for the info, but I do know what an ISP is. And no, it should
NOT have been confusing for the Qwest saleslady, since they sell a DSL
service WITHOUT being the ISP. Why she didn't know about a service they
sell is a different question. |
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Dan Swartzendruber
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 7:51 am Post subject:
Re: Qwest DSL without ISP? |
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In article <10qfd9fpsola967@corp.supernews.com>, cruff@ruffspot.net
says...
| Quote: | In article <755e968a.0411261348.1baa2ec7@posting.google.com>,
larrymoencurly <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote:
I couldn't get a straight answer from Qwest on whether I needed an ISP
or not, and people in news groups and at www.dslreports.com said that
DLS wouldn't give me Internet access without an ISP.
This is correct. Qwest only provides an ATM virtual circuit over the DSL
connection. You still need someone (the ISP) to terminate the ATM virtual
circuit and route your IP packets to/from the internet. I would guess,
that from your original post, MSN is indeed acting as your ISP. My mother
has a Qwest/MSN DSL connection, and it is functional without needing to
run any of the MSN software.
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This is NOT correct. You can get a "barebones DSL" from Qwest. It's
like $5 per month and they do nothing but give you an IP address via
PPPoA protocol. |
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NormanM
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 4:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Qwest DSL without ISP? |
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In article <MPG.1c11b5891888f23a98969e@news.giganews.com>, Dan
Swartzendruber says...
| Quote: | In article <slrncqeqq1.ppa.efflandt@typhoon.xnet.com>, David Efflandt
says...
ISP is "Internet Service Provider", which is how you connect to the
internet, like dialup, DSL, cable, etc. So it would be confusing if you
told a Qwest saleslady that you didn't want Quest as an ISP, because that
would mean you did NOT want their DSL.
Thanks for the info, but I do know what an ISP is. And no, it should
NOT have been confusing for the Qwest saleslady, since they sell a DSL
service WITHOUT being the ISP. Why she didn't know about a service they
sell is a different question.
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So Qwest provides your Internet connection; who is your ISP?
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Norman
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~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint |
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Dan Swartzendruber
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject:
Re: Qwest DSL without ISP? |
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In article <MPG.1c11fe438029561d989770@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
spammail@blackhole.invalid says...
| Quote: | In article <MPG.1c11b5891888f23a98969e@news.giganews.com>, Dan
Swartzendruber says...
In article <slrncqeqq1.ppa.efflandt@typhoon.xnet.com>, David Efflandt
says...
ISP is "Internet Service Provider", which is how you connect to the
internet, like dialup, DSL, cable, etc. So it would be confusing if you
told a Qwest saleslady that you didn't want Quest as an ISP, because that
would mean you did NOT want their DSL.
Thanks for the info, but I do know what an ISP is. And no, it should
NOT have been confusing for the Qwest saleslady, since they sell a DSL
service WITHOUT being the ISP. Why she didn't know about a service they
sell is a different question.
So Qwest provides your Internet connection; who is your ISP?
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Not me, my Dad. It depends on the definition. If you mean the provider
of the IP address, then it is Qwest, but for everything else, it is AOL.
Yes, I know this makes Qwest the ISP, but their own marketing info said
otherwise, which is why it was frustrating discussing this with their
salespeople... |
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