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PM
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Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:33 pm Post subject:
Splitting the DSL and POTS |
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I recently signed up for SBC DSL and received this box with filters to be
placed on each phone/device connecting to the phone line. I would think a
better solution would be to split the signal at the NID on the outside of
the house. I called SBC DSL tech support and they of course had to direct
me to the local service tech support which knew nothing about what I was
talking about. To make a long and aggravating story short, I gave up when
they told me I'd have to pay $200 for them to send a guy out to see if it
would be possible to put a splitter in the NID.
So anyway, I'd like to split the signals before it gets to my house wiring
and run a dedicated wire from the splitter to my DSL modem. Who makes a
good splitter that would be compatible with the DSL hardware, Speedstream
5100, and where can I buy it?
All the phone and data wiring in my house is CAT5e cabling. Where I
want/have to put the DSL modem to be near the router/switch, the DSL wire
will have to run with several other data/phone wires and for 4-5 feet it
will run with several 120v 12-2 w/grd house wiring. Will that be a problem?
Thanks for any help you might want to share!
Phil |
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Perky Not
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Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:57 pm Post subject:
Re: Splitting the DSL and POTS |
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PM wrote:
| Quote: | I recently signed up for SBC DSL and received this box with filters to be
placed on each phone/device connecting to the phone line. I would think a
better solution would be to split the signal at the NID on the outside of
the house. I called SBC DSL tech support and they of course had to direct
me to the local service tech support which knew nothing about what I was
talking about. To make a long and aggravating story short, I gave up when
they told me I'd have to pay $200 for them to send a guy out to see if it
would be possible to put a splitter in the NID.
So anyway, I'd like to split the signals before it gets to my house wiring
and run a dedicated wire from the splitter to my DSL modem. Who makes a
good splitter that would be compatible with the DSL hardware, Speedstream
5100, and where can I buy it?
All the phone and data wiring in my house is CAT5e cabling. Where I
want/have to put the DSL modem to be near the router/switch, the DSL wire
will have to run with several other data/phone wires and for 4-5 feet it
will run with several 120v 12-2 w/grd house wiring. Will that be a problem?
Thanks for any help you might want to share!
Phil
Phil, |
You might check out this site.
http://www.hometech.com/
Click on the learn tab. He has a DSL wiring tutorial.
Hope this helps.
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Perky Not |
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DLC
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Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:15 am Post subject:
Re: Splitting the DSL and POTS |
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DLC says:
I have SBC/Yahoo DSL and as I already had a second line from the NID to
my office area, I just used one of the splitter/filters supplied by SBC
in the NID. It works just dandy!
PM wrote:
| Quote: | I recently signed up for SBC DSL and received this box with filters to be
placed on each phone/device connecting to the phone line. I would think a
better solution would be to split the signal at the NID on the outside of
the house. I called SBC DSL tech support and they of course had to direct
me to the local service tech support which knew nothing about what I was
talking about. To make a long and aggravating story short, I gave up when
they told me I'd have to pay $200 for them to send a guy out to see if it
would be possible to put a splitter in the NID.
So anyway, I'd like to split the signals before it gets to my house wiring
and run a dedicated wire from the splitter to my DSL modem. Who makes a
good splitter that would be compatible with the DSL hardware, Speedstream
5100, and where can I buy it?
All the phone and data wiring in my house is CAT5e cabling. Where I
want/have to put the DSL modem to be near the router/switch, the DSL wire
will have to run with several other data/phone wires and for 4-5 feet it
will run with several 120v 12-2 w/grd house wiring. Will that be a problem?
Thanks for any help you might want to share!
Phil
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wkearney99
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Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:47 am Post subject:
Re: Splitting the DSL and POTS |
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"PM" <ccs2015@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:civ1e1$af6m$1@news3.infoave.net...
| Quote: | I recently signed up for SBC DSL and received this box with filters to be
placed on each phone/device connecting to the phone line. I would think a
better solution would be to split the signal at the NID on the outside of
the house.
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Yes, do this. I put one inside the line feeding the house. I had to splice
in some RJ11 cable to use the splitter. That and I ran one line to the DSL
modem ahead of the splitter. This way all outlets in the house are already
filtered and I don't have to worry about who's plugging what into where.
Yes, if I move the DSL modem then I'd have to rearrange things.
| Quote: | of course had to direct
me to the local service tech support which knew nothing about what I was
talking about.
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Now like THAT'S a surprise...
| Quote: | Who makes a
good splitter that would be compatible with the DSL hardware
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There's probably something that can be bought that uses screw or 110
terminals but why bother? It's just as easy to just cut up an RJ11 cable
and use them to rig up a jumper to use one of the supplied splitters.
| Quote: | All the phone and data wiring in my house is CAT5e cabling. Where I
want/have to put the DSL modem to be near the router/switch, the DSL wire
will have to run with several other data/phone wires and for 4-5 feet it
will run with several 120v 12-2 w/grd house wiring. Will that be a
problem? |
Run with or run on the same pairs? There's a difference. If you're talking
about there being other POTS handsets on the same phone line then each would
have to have their own splitter. If you're talking about the DSL being on a
different pair in a 4 pair cable then the answer's no. The DSL modem needs
a clear unfiltered signal to it. It likewise will not work (well) if there
are any POTS devices anywhere on it's same line (pair) that aren't filtered.
I'd suggest running a line directly to the DSL modem. Or move the DSL modem
to a place that's conventient and run a CAT5 ethernet line to the rest of
your network. The modems are generally 'set and forget' and don't need any
operator attention. Just put it so you can see the LEDs and power cycle it
should it lock up (unlikely but possible).
-Bill Kearney |
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PM
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Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:07 am Post subject:
Re: Splitting the DSL and POTS |
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Thanks to all for the great information.
Bill, My phone wiring in my house is set up in a Star Topology fashion.
Each phone outlet has it's own CAT5e cable. I did it this way so I could
use the outlet as Ethernet or POTS, not both at once. There is more than
one outlet in each room with two CAT5e cables to it. So would it be better
to run the DSL cable, CAT5e, from the splitter to the modem which I'd like
near my router, or put the modem near the splitter, which will be in a
different room, and run CAT5e from the modem to the router. I hope I'm
getting this explained correctly. The reason I ask this is, the cable,
whether it's carrying DSL or Ethernet data will have to run in close
proximity to several 120v house cables for several feet. Will the EMF from
the 120v cabling effect DSL signal more adversely that it will the Ethernet
signal. In my experience, the Ethernet doesn't seem to be effected by the
closeness of 120v house wiring.???
Thanks again.
"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:k4ydnbiSBN8Uz87cRVn-oQ@speakeasy.net...
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"PM" <ccs2015@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:civ1e1$af6m$1@news3.infoave.net...
I recently signed up for SBC DSL and received this box with filters to be
placed on each phone/device connecting to the phone line. I would think
a
better solution would be to split the signal at the NID on the outside of
the house.
Yes, do this. I put one inside the line feeding the house. I had to
splice
in some RJ11 cable to use the splitter. That and I ran one line to the
DSL
modem ahead of the splitter. This way all outlets in the house are
already
filtered and I don't have to worry about who's plugging what into where.
Yes, if I move the DSL modem then I'd have to rearrange things.
of course had to direct
me to the local service tech support which knew nothing about what I was
talking about.
Now like THAT'S a surprise...
Who makes a
good splitter that would be compatible with the DSL hardware
There's probably something that can be bought that uses screw or 110
terminals but why bother? It's just as easy to just cut up an RJ11 cable
and use them to rig up a jumper to use one of the supplied splitters.
All the phone and data wiring in my house is CAT5e cabling. Where I
want/have to put the DSL modem to be near the router/switch, the DSL wire
will have to run with several other data/phone wires and for 4-5 feet it
will run with several 120v 12-2 w/grd house wiring. Will that be a
problem?
Run with or run on the same pairs? There's a difference. If you're
talking
about there being other POTS handsets on the same phone line then each
would
have to have their own splitter. If you're talking about the DSL being on
a
different pair in a 4 pair cable then the answer's no. The DSL modem
needs
a clear unfiltered signal to it. It likewise will not work (well) if
there
are any POTS devices anywhere on it's same line (pair) that aren't
filtered.
I'd suggest running a line directly to the DSL modem. Or move the DSL
modem
to a place that's conventient and run a CAT5 ethernet line to the rest of
your network. The modems are generally 'set and forget' and don't need
any
operator attention. Just put it so you can see the LEDs and power cycle
it
should it lock up (unlikely but possible).
-Bill Kearney
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PM
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Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:08 am Post subject:
Re: Splitting the DSL and POTS |
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What kind of speeds are you getting?
"DLC" <DLC@dlc.net> wrote in message
news:o1H4d.7877$Qv5.7332@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
| Quote: | DLC says:
I have SBC/Yahoo DSL and as I already had a second line from the NID to my
office area, I just used one of the splitter/filters supplied by SBC in
the NID. It works just dandy!
PM wrote:
I recently signed up for SBC DSL and received this box with filters to be
placed on each phone/device connecting to the phone line. I would think
a better solution would be to split the signal at the NID on the outside
of the house. I called SBC DSL tech support and they of course had to
direct me to the local service tech support which knew nothing about what
I was talking about. To make a long and aggravating story short, I gave
up when they told me I'd have to pay $200 for them to send a guy out to
see if it would be possible to put a splitter in the NID.
So anyway, I'd like to split the signals before it gets to my house
wiring and run a dedicated wire from the splitter to my DSL modem. Who
makes a good splitter that would be compatible with the DSL hardware,
Speedstream 5100, and where can I buy it?
All the phone and data wiring in my house is CAT5e cabling. Where I
want/have to put the DSL modem to be near the router/switch, the DSL wire
will have to run with several other data/phone wires and for 4-5 feet it
will run with several 120v 12-2 w/grd house wiring. Will that be a
problem?
Thanks for any help you might want to share!
Phil |
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Kay Archer
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Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:34 am Post subject:
Re: Splitting the DSL and POTS |
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"PM" <ccs2015@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:civ1e1$af6m$1@news3.infoave.net...
| Quote: | I recently signed up for SBC DSL and received this box with filters to be
placed on each phone/device connecting to the phone line. I would think a
better solution would be to split the signal at the NID on the outside of
the house. I called SBC DSL tech support and they of course had to direct
me to the local service tech support which knew nothing about what I was
talking about. To make a long and aggravating story short, I gave up
when
they told me I'd have to pay $200 for them to send a guy out to see if it
would be possible to put a splitter in the NID.
So anyway, I'd like to split the signals before it gets to my house wiring
and run a dedicated wire from the splitter to my DSL modem. Who makes a
good splitter that would be compatible with the DSL hardware, Speedstream
5100, and where can I buy it?
All the phone and data wiring in my house is CAT5e cabling. Where I
want/have to put the DSL modem to be near the router/switch, the DSL wire
will have to run with several other data/phone wires and for 4-5 feet it
will run with several 120v 12-2 w/grd house wiring. Will that be a
problem?
There are a couple of solutions offered at www.dslreports.com , search for |
dmarc. |
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wkearney99
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Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:53 pm Post subject:
Re: Splitting the DSL and POTS |
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| Quote: | Bill, My phone wiring in my house is set up in a Star Topology fashion.
Each phone outlet has it's own CAT5e cable.
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Good, this means you've got 4 pairs running to each outlet. You can, and
many people do, run more than just one thing inside that bundle of cables.
Regular 10 and 100BaseT ethernet only requires two pair (4 wires) and as
such leaves two other pairs free. Perfect for splitting out and running a
POTS device like a handset. Granted, things like Gig-Ethernet require all 4
pair so be careful about painting yourself into a corner. Most home
applications are unlikely to exceed 100Mb to each star location so it could
be considered reasonable to stick with CAT5. Never say never though...
| Quote: | I did it this way so I could
use the outlet as Ethernet or POTS, not both at once.
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Technically you could. It'd require splitting out the wiring behind the
wall jack.
| Quote: | There is more than
one outlet in each room with two CAT5e cables to it. So would it be
better
to run the DSL cable, CAT5e, from the splitter to the modem which I'd like
near my router, or put the modem near the splitter, which will be in a
different room, and run CAT5e from the modem to the router.
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Look at it this way, the DSL modem does not generally require ANY front
panel interaction. Same thing can be said of your typical home NAT router
(netgear, linksys, etc). That and Ethernet can be run up to 375' from
device to device. So how about you put the DSL modem in a place near the
NID and run a single ethernet to wherever you've got your switches setup to
distribute out along your star? This way you can filter ALL OTHER telephone
lines with one and only one main filter for the entire house.
You don't need the DSL modem to be near anything else. Granted, things like
power backup may come into play. If that's the case then, frankly, it's
usually just best to run a single line directly from the NID to the desired
location for the DSL modem and be done with it.
| Quote: | Will the EMF from
the 120v cabling effect DSL signal more adversely that it will the
Ethernet
signal. In my experience, the Ethernet doesn't seem to be effected by the
closeness of 120v house wiring.???
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There shouldn't be all that much RF noise from the electrical wiring anyway.
So, in general, it's not terribly important to got to extra lengths to avoid
them being close. However, there's no harm in playing it safe and guarding
against future technologies that might BE suceptible to AC line noise
interference. 120V wiring is supposed to be run in specific ways as is
CAT5E for networking. That alone would tend to avoid the problem as well.
"Should be" versus actual, of course, varies.
-Bill Kearney |
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