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Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:05 am Post subject:
Connecting DSL modem to a wired home |
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I am not a networking specialist so please bear with me.
1. My home is wired with Cat5 ethernet cabling and outlets provided at
various rooms.
2. The other end of the cable is raw(just a dangling wire with no
cover).
3. I have a netgear switch with me.
4. I am intending to subscribe to DSL service.
How can I fix the cover for the ethernet cables(instructions on what
wire(yellow/white etc goes where). Can I connect the DSL modem(out) to
the netgear switch(this is not a router) and then connect the ethernet
cables to the out ports on the switch.
Will this combination work. I have 2 PCs at home and want to utilize
the fact that my home is already wired(atleast CAT5 wiring).
Thanks for the help in advance. |
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Neil W Rickert
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:05 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Can I connect the DSL modem(out) to
the netgear switch(this is not a router) and then connect the ethernet
cables to the out ports on the switch.
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That depends. If your DSL provider uses direct bridging, it should
work. If the provider user PPPoE, then you need to insert something
that handles the PPPoE for you. You can purchase home router boxes
to do this. In that case you would have
dsl modem <--> router <--> switch
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Andreas Wenzel
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:19 am Post subject:
Re: Connecting DSL modem to a wired home |
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bvkiran@hotmail.com wrote:
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How can I fix the cover for the ethernet cables(instructions on what
wire(yellow/white etc goes where).
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If you like to do it in a quick and dirty fashion, you can crimp RJ45
connectors onto the ends of your cat.5 cables. Then plug the connectors
into your switch. Make sure, you get the right connectors for your type
of cable. There are different types of RJ45s for solid and for flexible
wires.
For the colors, take a look at this page:
http://www.ertyu.org/~steven_nikkel/ethernetcables.html
If you prefere a proper solution, get a patch panel, connect your
ethernet cables to the patch panel and then connect each port of the
patch panel to your switch through a flexible patch cable. Patch panels
look like this (first image on page):
http://www.viking.ltd.uk/strcpatch.htm
| Quote: | Can I connect the DSL modem(out) to
the netgear switch(this is not a router) and then connect the ethernet
cables to the out ports on the switch.
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Yes, you can do that. Wheter or not it is going to allow simultaneous
acces for both computers to the internet depends on your ISP's policy
regarding multiple connects over a single DSL-line.
The modem will act as a bridge, so the DSL-line will be transparent for
ethernet frames. That means, that all broadcast traffic from your local
LAN will appear on the other end of the DSL-line. Some people might
regard this as a security issue.
Also, since DSL is much slower than your local LAN, broadcast traffic on
the lan could cause some congestion on the uplink part of the DSL-line.
The best way to connect both PCs to the internet at the same time
probably is to get a router.
Andreas |
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Neil W Rickert
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Connecting DSL modem to a wired home |
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bvkiran@hotmail.com writes:
| Quote: | Well I am trying to get onto SBC DSL. They seem to say that this will
be dynamic IP. Also they seem to talk about some Home Networking
kit(which I don't want to buy) because if need be I want to able to
switch to cable. Hence I would rather buy a router myself.
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Purchase a home router box. It should cost $60US or less. It connects
to the DSL or cable modem. It will do the PPPoE for you, as SBC
requires. It will have four (typically) ethernet connectors for your
systems. It will use private address space, usually 192.168.*.*, and
assign addresses to your home systems via DHCP. When your home
systems want to make an internet connection, the router box will use
NAT (IP masquerading), so that all systems share the dynamic IP
assigned by SBC. If you want to run a server for incoming
connections, you can configure the box to forward that connection to
a specific internal PC.
SBC will give you an account and password. You will have to
configure your box with those and configure it to use PPPoE.
It may be a bit confusing setting this up the first time. But once
done, it should all go smoothly.
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Neil W Rickert
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject:
Re: Connecting DSL modem to a wired home |
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| Quote: | Sorry I missed on one more detail. If I am getting a RJ45 jack, is
there something specific I need to looking for.
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You will need some ethernet patch cables to connect your router to
the modem, and to connect your PCs to the router. See my earlier
reply on router box. Everything will use RJ45 connectors. Just
about anything called a home or broadband router, that you find on
the shelves of your local computer store, should do. Hmm, avoid
anything with "wireless" in its name. You might want to set up a
home wireless network later, but don't add that extra complexity at
this stage, particularly when you are already wired for ethernet.
| Quote: | Also if the modem gives one dynamic IP, can the switch translate it to
two machines connected to the internet.
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No. The router translates one IP to many. A switch cannot do that.
Plug your router into the DSL modem. Plug your switch into the
router. Plug your PCs into the switch. (Or plug some PCs into the
router and some into the switch).
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:59 pm Post subject:
Re: Connecting DSL modem to a wired home |
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Well I am trying to get onto SBC DSL. They seem to say that this will
be dynamic IP. Also they seem to talk about some Home Networking
kit(which I don't want to buy) because if need be I want to able to
switch to cable. Hence I would rather buy a router myself.
So the way it stands saying they will be giving one dynamic IP what
are my options. |
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:03 pm Post subject:
Re: Connecting DSL modem to a wired home |
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Sorry I missed on one more detail. If I am getting a RJ45 jack, is
there something specific I need to looking for.
Also if the modem gives one dynamic IP, can the switch translate it to
two machines connected to the internet. |
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Robert Redelmeier
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Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:49 pm Post subject:
Re: Connecting DSL modem to a wired home |
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bvkiran@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Well I am trying to get onto SBC DSL. They seem to say that
this will be dynamic IP. Also they seem to talk about some
Home Networking kit(which I don't want to buy) because if
need be I want to able to switch to cable. Hence I would
rather buy a router myself.
So the way it stands saying they will be giving one dynamic
IP what are my options.
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You need a very common broadband router/firewall. It will
talk to the DSL (or cable) modem, serve DHCP to your home
machines and do NAT to connect your machines to the internet.
The router can also be configured to allow inbound connections,
but by default your home network is protected by it's firewall.
-- Robert in Houston |
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NormanM
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:50 am Post subject:
Re: Connecting DSL modem to a wired home |
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In article <2ad4fe84.0409091103.15f6fc70@posting.google.com>, says...
| Quote: | Sorry I missed on one more detail. If I am getting a RJ45 jack, is
there something specific I need to looking for.
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I will pass in deference to those who know more.
| Quote: | Also if the modem gives one dynamic IP, can the switch translate it to
two machines connected to the internet.
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No. The switch doesn't handle IP address assignment. That is why you were
told that you need a router. If you can convince SBC to send you just the
modem (I think they use Efficient modems; as a noun (brand name), not an
adjective), go that route. You can buy a broadband router at a local
electronics store, and it will work whether it connects to a cable modem, or
a DSL modem.
--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint |
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bob prohaska
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:19 am Post subject:
Re: Connecting DSL modem to a wired home |
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bvkiran@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Well I am trying to get onto SBC DSL. They seem to say that this will
be dynamic IP. Also they seem to talk about some Home Networking
kit(which I don't want to buy) because if need be I want to able to
switch to cable. Hence I would rather buy a router myself.
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Might want to check the fine print; when I hooked up the router
(a Cayman 3546) was free and impressively sophisticated. So far
the only downside is a 200+ page manual and no help from SBC tech
support. The Cayman uses a web interface which is really impressive.
However, my Static-S package _required_ a tech visit for $250. The
tech got the router working in about five minutes, which seems like
a really lousy deal until one appreciates how much uncertainty it
removed. I _knew_ the dsl line and router both worked, all I had to
do was get the config right. That's hard, but much easier than
verifying the link works.
If you're a Mac/Windows user they'll include software help with the
install. I'm a FreeBSD user, so it was slightly harder and the help
of the installation tech was valuable.
hth,
bob prohaska |
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NormanM
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:16 am Post subject:
Re: Connecting DSL modem to a wired home |
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In article <chr6gg$2pe1$1@agate.berkeley.edu>, bob prohaska says...
| Quote: | Might want to check the fine print; when I hooked up the router
(a Cayman 3546) was free and impressively sophisticated.
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An SBC-ASI tech left one for an overnight test; he just wanted to verify
that my Westell Wirespeed wasn't dying. I wasn't impressed at all. The
Cayman wasn't nearly as capable as my aging $60 SMC Barricade 7004BR (which
is now obsolete).
--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint |
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Al C.
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:38 am Post subject:
Re: Connecting DSL modem to a wired home |
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Neil W Rickert wrote:
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bvkiran@hotmail.com writes:
Well I am trying to get onto SBC DSL. They seem to say that this will
be dynamic IP. Also they seem to talk about some Home Networking
kit(which I don't want to buy) because if need be I want to able to
switch to cable. Hence I would rather buy a router myself.
Purchase a home router box. It should cost $60US or less. It connects
to the DSL or cable modem. It will do the PPPoE for you, as SBC
requires. It will have four (typically) ethernet connectors for your
systems. It will use private address space, usually 192.168.*.*, and
assign addresses to your home systems via DHCP. When your home
systems want to make an internet connection, the router box will use
NAT (IP masquerading), so that all systems share the dynamic IP
assigned by SBC. If you want to run a server for incoming
connections, you can configure the box to forward that connection to
a specific internal PC.
SBC will give you an account and password. You will have to
configure your box with those and configure it to use PPPoE.
It may be a bit confusing setting this up the first time. But once
done, it should all go smoothly.
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All the above is good advice. You will probably get a SpeedStream 5100B modem
from SBC. Good equipment. This is actually a modem and single-port router in
one very tiny box. (it has 5 lights... as opposed to 3 which the modem-only
5100 is). The only 'trick' is that when you use a multi-port router, you need
to set the modem to be in 'bridge mode.' The modem has a web interface
(192.168.0.1) and you config it with a browser when it is connected directly
to the computer. Once configed, you than disconnect if from the comptuter and
pop it into the router and connect your computer to the router. I have a
Linksys 4-port router I got for $50 at Staples. Both the 5100B and router
have not had a problem in the 5 months they have been up.
I suggest that you go to www.dslreports.com and join the SBC forum and hang
there for a while. Also look at the FAQ they have. Ask questions. It's not as
complicated as it sounds if you set your computer for DHCP. (I run Slackware
Linux so I can't help you as I'm sure you run Windows... but it's easy to set
in Windows as well, I just forget where.)
A. Canton
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bob prohaska
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Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:19 am Post subject:
Re: Connecting DSL modem to a wired home |
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NormanM <spammail@blackhole.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <chr6gg$2pe1$1@agate.berkeley.edu>, bob prohaska says...
Might want to check the fine print; when I hooked up the router
(a Cayman 3546) was free and impressively sophisticated.
An SBC-ASI tech left one for an overnight test; he just wanted to verify
that my Westell Wirespeed wasn't dying. I wasn't impressed at all. The
Cayman wasn't nearly as capable as my aging $60 SMC Barricade 7004BR (which
is now obsolete).
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As a no-cost deal the 3546 struck me as fairly decent; I'm new to DSL and
compared to a pair of USR Sportsters it was nothing short of amazing.
8-)
bob prohaska |
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