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kris
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:31 am Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

Safety.Net is free and filters content in the routing mode (not a proxy), in the layer 3. You can set up content filtering on any port. You can use thousands of urls/key words to block/erase content. You can also define the policies by the computer name for the LAN machines. -KrisP (a biased user of Safety.Net)

Eirik Seim
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:51 am Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:15:01 GMT, Leythos wrote:

Quote:

In article <slrncudd27.37m.eirik@kain.mi.uib.no>, eirik@mi.uib.no
says...
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:02:51 GMT, Leythos wrote:

[snip]

I have yet to see my kids get around the content filtering I setup at
home.

Now, this is kind of interesting. How can you know this? Kids are
smart, and they normally know their parents well enough to exploit
some weakness in their mindset. A guy I run into at IRC from time
to time is a convicted hacker [1] now running a respectable ISP,
and the joke (mostly joke, anyways -- we hope) is his daughters
will probably be the first to crack into his servers ... :)

Because I get all the logs and parse them ever week - I would see the
traffic, wonder where it was heading, look it up, and know what they
were doing.

Say you noticed use of an anonymous web proxy, would you confront
them with it? Well, if they know you see the logs, and I hope they
do, they're more likely stay out of places they shouldnt go anyways.

Quote:

My oldest is in CISCO Certification Tranining and has not
got past my firewall rules yet, but he would show me how he did it if he
were to do it. I'm hoping to bring him into the company when he
graduates.

Sounds great, is that CCNA or more advanced?

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abspc
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:07 am Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

Duane Arnold wrote:

Quote:

abspc <l@l.com> wrote in news:20050113081401.526$E6@news.newsreader.com:

Fidelio wrote:

This one is freeware and in many languages (which is important to me
since I'm in Spain):

http://users.tpg.com.au/adslgoej/

Best Regards,
Fidelio

"Lars M. Hansen" <badnews@hansenonline.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:4mocu01gb6jld5dhamomf7o7u96cor3dlo@4ax.com...

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:39:34 GMT, Leythos spoketh

I don't know of any single point solution that provides all of this.
Most of it can be done with standard firewall appliances and web-
blocking services connected to the firewall. The Usenet restrictions
are something I've never seen in a firewall appliance.

Your best bet is to setup the computers so that the kids don't have
ANY Usenet access and that when you authenticate with the firewall
as your account that you have unrestricted access.

Symantec Enterprise Firewall has (or at least had) filtering for NNTP
as well as content filtering for HTTP. For NNTP you could specify
which newsgroups to allow and which groups to block.

But, that's way to much money for home use...

Lars M. Hansen
http://www.hansenonline.net
(replace 'badnews' with 'news' in e-mail address)

this doesn't do usenet.

You're kind of hitting troll stratosphere. I got to wonder about you now.
Surely by now, you have enough information.

Duane :)

Well that's your opinion but no i don't have even close to enough info,
no one has come up with any hardware solution yet. and i still have looked.

abspc
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:08 am Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

Duane Arnold wrote:

Quote:

"Fidelio" <Fidelio@arrakis.net> wrote in
news:cs654c$ch6$1@caladan.landsraad.net:

I'm sorry Duane... english is not my mother language so I don't know
if you like the link or if you consider that link a waste of time.

Fidelio (quite confuse)

"Duane Arnold" <notme@notme.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:Xns95DD585D38470notmenotmecom@63.240.76.16...

You're kind of hitting troll stratosphere. I got to wonder about you
now. Surely by now, you have enough information.

Duane :)

If it works for you, then you should use it. That's all I can say about it.
I myself would use something that's on a stand alone device like a router
or FW appliance to do the WEB site filtering and password protect the
device. One can always disable software running on a computer.

Duane :)

plus that software, i have seen it before and it does not touch usenet.
usenet is a priority.

abspc
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:18 am Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

kris wrote:

Quote:

Safety.Net is free and filters content in the routing mode (not a
proxy), in the layer 3. You can set up content filtering on any port.
You can use thousands of urls/key words to block/erase content. You can
also define the policies by the computer name for the LAN machines.
-KrisP
(a biased user of Safety.Net)

I don't know what layers are, huh?
Ok, I'm now a little more interested in safety.net and I'm sorry before
if I sounded like no way. I'm looking at their site to learn more about it.

Leythos
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

In article <slrncue5rv.37m.eirik@kain.mi.uib.no>, eirik@mi.uib.no
says...

Quote:

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:15:01 GMT, Leythos wrote:
In article <slrncudd27.37m.eirik@kain.mi.uib.no>, eirik@mi.uib.no
says...
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:02:51 GMT, Leythos wrote:

[snip]

I have yet to see my kids get around the content filtering I setup at
home.

Now, this is kind of interesting. How can you know this? Kids are
smart, and they normally know their parents well enough to exploit
some weakness in their mindset. A guy I run into at IRC from time
to time is a convicted hacker [1] now running a respectable ISP,
and the joke (mostly joke, anyways -- we hope) is his daughters
will probably be the first to crack into his servers ... :)

Because I get all the logs and parse them ever week - I would see the
traffic, wonder where it was heading, look it up, and know what they
were doing.

Say you noticed use of an anonymous web proxy, would you confront
them with it? Well, if they know you see the logs, and I hope they
do, they're more likely stay out of places they shouldnt go anyways.

I would notice it - I look for sustained / repeated connections outbound
to anything. As for what they can/can't do, they know their limits and
if they want to have mostly unrestricted access the can do it from a
machine not hidden in the house areas, but in a common shared room.

Quote:

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John Mason Jr
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

abspc wrote:

Quote:

kris wrote:

Safety.Net is free and filters content in the routing mode (not a
proxy), in the layer 3. You can set up content filtering on any port.
You can use thousands of urls/key words to block/erase content. You can
also define the policies by the computer name for the LAN machines.
-KrisP
(a biased user of Safety.Net)

I don't know what layers are, huh?
Ok, I'm now a little more interested in safety.net and I'm sorry before
if I sounded like no way. I'm looking at their site to learn more about it.

Some NNTP filtering choices

http://www.bofh.it/~md/cleanfeed/

http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/software/newsproxy/

http://www.geocities.com/d4vidb/x_setup11.html

John

abspc
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

John Mason Jr wrote:

Quote:

abspc wrote:

kris wrote:

Safety.Net is free and filters content in the routing mode (not a
proxy), in the layer 3. You can set up content filtering on any port.
You can use thousands of urls/key words to block/erase content. You can
also define the policies by the computer name for the LAN machines.
-KrisP
(a biased user of Safety.Net)

I don't know what layers are, huh?
Ok, I'm now a little more interested in safety.net and I'm sorry
before if I sounded like no way. I'm looking at their site to learn
more about it.

Some NNTP filtering choices

http://www.bofh.it/~md/cleanfeed/

http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/software/newsproxy/

http://www.geocities.com/d4vidb/x_setup11.html

John

i don't do linux.

John Mason Jr
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

abspc wrote:

Quote:

John Mason Jr wrote:

abspc wrote:

kris wrote:

Safety.Net is free and filters content in the routing mode (not a
proxy), in the layer 3. You can set up content filtering on any port.
You can use thousands of urls/key words to block/erase content. You can
also define the policies by the computer name for the LAN machines.
-KrisP
(a biased user of Safety.Net)

I don't know what layers are, huh?
Ok, I'm now a little more interested in safety.net and I'm sorry
before if I sounded like no way. I'm looking at their site to learn
more about it.

Some NNTP filtering choices

http://www.bofh.it/~md/cleanfeed/

http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/software/newsproxy/

http://www.geocities.com/d4vidb/x_setup11.html

John

i don't do linux

Try the last link then

John

abspc
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

John Mason Jr wrote:

Quote:

abspc wrote:

John Mason Jr wrote:

abspc wrote:

kris wrote:

Safety.Net is free and filters content in the routing mode (not a
proxy), in the layer 3. You can set up content filtering on any port.
You can use thousands of urls/key words to block/erase content. You
can
also define the policies by the computer name for the LAN machines.
-KrisP
(a biased user of Safety.Net)

I don't know what layers are, huh?
Ok, I'm now a little more interested in safety.net and I'm sorry
before if I sounded like no way. I'm looking at their site to learn
more about it.

Some NNTP filtering choices

http://www.bofh.it/~md/cleanfeed/

http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/software/newsproxy/

http://www.geocities.com/d4vidb/x_setup11.html

John

i don't do linux

Try the last link then

John

Newsplex I don't think will do anything for me since I can't run a news
server like that probably. I mean just that running an nntp server here
is not really possible with the only pc it could go on would not have a
big drive and I don't really have access to that pc to use it.

abspc
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

John Mason Jr wrote:

Quote:

oh yeah, i do appreciate all the help from you John, and from everyone
else, it means a lot to me and I thank you all for it. I'm still
hopefull to find a solution. Thanks so much guys and gals.

abspc
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

abspc wrote:

Quote:

John Mason Jr wrote:

abspc wrote:

John Mason Jr wrote:

abspc wrote:

kris wrote:

Safety.Net is free and filters content in the routing mode (not a
proxy), in the layer 3. You can set up content filtering on any port.
You can use thousands of urls/key words to block/erase content.
You can
also define the policies by the computer name for the LAN machines.
-KrisP
(a biased user of Safety.Net)

I don't know what layers are, huh?
Ok, I'm now a little more interested in safety.net and I'm sorry
before if I sounded like no way. I'm looking at their site to learn
more about it.

Some NNTP filtering choices

http://www.bofh.it/~md/cleanfeed/

http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/software/newsproxy/

http://www.geocities.com/d4vidb/x_setup11.html

John

i don't do linux

Try the last link then

John

Newsplex I don't think will do anything for me since I can't run a news
server like that probably. I mean just that running an nntp server here
is not really possible with the only pc it could go on would not have a
big drive and I don't really have access to that pc to use it.

sorry i meant news proxy, lol.

abspc
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

kris wrote:

Quote:

Ok, I have a new question. It pertains to saftey.net and any other
firewall content filtering software.

I do have 1 pc that can be used as the router/gateway. It's running
windows xp pro with 256mb ram, 1.33ghz athlon and a 13gb hard drive with
cdrw. and a GF2 video card. so it's not that great today, but seems to
run very good. This pc possibly could be the gateway/router. Now, here
are some questions about features. Are these features available in any
firewall content filtering software solution that could be installed on
the gateway/router pc? Must not be linux, but has to run in windows xp.

The pc would of course have to have 2 nics 10/100. One going to the hub
we have and another comming from the cable modem.

Bandwidth control.
A: control the upload and download speed for the entire lan all at once
or single local ip? Like limit one local ip or the entire lan all at
once to say no faster download then 1mb/sec or whatever I would say. I'm
just curious if this is possible in any software firewall content
filtering app. or if any do this like the safety.net.

B: Bandwith limiting. Could I say the entire lan or single local ip once
it downloads so much amount it can not download anymore for a specified
amount of time or days etc? Say I give it a 100gb a month limit, once
100gb in any 30 day perioud is downloaded, stop downloading or say limit
downloads to say so many kbyte/sec or whatever? Just curious, not
something I totally need.

C: snmp I think it is. I'd love the ability to be able to see how much
data has been downloaded from the WAN connection. Like what port or
protocol downloaded how much data like say port 80 downloaded say 6mb in
a week or whatever, port 119 did this much data download, etc. What
local ip did it too, like say this local ip downloaded this much on port
80, etc, and then it'd combine everything to give a total amount. I used
to have a Zyxel 2x that did this and I thought it was awesome.

D: Content filtering to filter adult content on web sites and via nntp
port 119 and any other port? Keywords also. I think what I got from kris
or the safety.net is it is possible with safety.net to add a keyword and
it would filter out that keyword on any port? so say i was using usenet
and on port 8000 and tried to download headers for say
alt.binaries.cd.image and i had image as a keyword to block it would not
let me connect to that newsgroup or download from that newsgroup even
when using nzb files which are www.newzbin.com and other places. What I
would like however is for it to filter out adult content from the web
and also nntp usenet connections via any port. If possible with port
filtering via keywords or something, that'd be awesome.

E: The ability to totally block specific ports so the entire lan could
not connect to the internet on specified ports or any single local ip
could not. Say I want to block port 8000, 9000, 23, 25, 3129 so that the
whole lan could not connect to those ports or any single local ip could
not. Also I'd like to block a range of ports so p2p software can not
work. Example, port 6000-9000 all blocked.

F: reporting feature to report what web sites were visited or tried to
visit and was blocked. auto emailed to the admin the reports? same for
what ports like if port 9000 was blocked and someone tried to connect to
it via say newsbin pro or some other news client or any app.

G: the ability to block specified local programs from accessing the
internet. I'd like to specifically be able to block all virtual pc and
vmware type programs. So I'd block virtual pc and vmware so their exes
couldn't run or whatever on any computer locally.

H: Time limits or allowable times being able to surf the net?

I: A log in screen like say a computer goes online and must log in with
a user name and password in order to get online. Also must work with
windows user accounts and know the difference for fast user switching
etc, so my own pc here has 2 users on it and we fast user switch all the
time, so one user has their own log in to the internet or whatever and
the other user account would have one too seperate. An auto log out
after so many minutes, but it would let norton live update and similar
updates to run and check for updates, it just would block web access,
email access or whatever like that. The ability to specifiy what port or
protocol to block durring those time limits and stuff where net access
is not allowed.

J: when something is denied access a little denied window message tells
you, like some parental control apps do, they tell you it was blocked
when you try to access something that is blocked.

That's really about most or all of the features. I'm not saying I need
them all, but just an idea.

Also what ports are totally needed to be online? port 80 yes, and what
else for say secure connections for shopping web sites online, web based
email like yahoo and maybe pop mail? aol aim port, yahoo messanger port?
maybe i could block all ports, but the needed ones.

abspc
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

kris wrote:

Quote:

one thing i want to say is for web sites content filtering it needs to
use some sort of third partry list of sites that are in certain
categories and allow you to block or allow categories. like other parent
control software they have a lit of categories and you can block adult,
etc. safety.net i am looking at it now, i just installed it, and it
doesn't seem to do that. I am just looking it over right now though.

abspc
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usen

kris wrote:

Quote:

Kris, I do not see a way in safety.net to filter ports based on
keywords? It would be cool to set up a keyword and all ports be
monitored for that keyword and if the keyword is found trying to access
then it be blocked.

Maybe we could chat sometime?

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