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$Bill
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 Posted:
Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:47 am Post subject:
Re: Do wireless routers slow down cable internet access? |
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Garner Miller wrote:
| Quote: | In article <33ftimF3vbk2iU1@individual.net>, Karyn Guilmore
karyn@nospam.invalid.net> wrote:
Care to offer an apology to the users of this newsgroup?
Care to offer an apology to Norman for jumping down his throat without
readng the whole message?
I don't feel one is warranted at least not from me. I never replied to
the message he quoted, and wouldn't reply to something so blatantly
obvious. I routinely check where the replies are forwarded and make sure
the message isn't being cross posted.
That's great. He wasn't addressing you.
He said, as has been quoted several times now, "Anybody who RESPONDED
TO THIS POST {the spam}... is participating in a flood of another
newsgroup."
It has *nothing* to do with the original topic at hand, nor the
original post. The subject line and references header were used to
tack it onto an existing thread. People are falling for it left and
right, replying to these inflammatory messages -- those replies are
being dumped into news.admin.net-abuse.email because people don't
notice the follow-up header. That's the whole point.
Regarding the message which the gent quoted, it wasn't part of the
thread in which I participated. I wouldn't reply to such nonsense to
begin with.
No, it wasn't. That's why you're missing the point - he wasn't talking
to you, or anyone else involved in the original discussion about
wireless routers. He was talking to people who REPLIED TO THE SPAM,
and are helping to flood news.admin.net-abuse.email without realizing
it. That group is getting nearly 1000 messages a day because of this.
It's a real problem.
I read the message, and am not using Usenet for the first time in my
life.
Glad to hear it. I'd suggest researching how References: and
Follow-up-to: headers work, because you're not grasping what's going on
here.
From your reply to Norman:
Below are the full headers from the original post. Notice lack of any
followup-to and no cross posting.
The original post is *irrelevant* -- that's what I'm trying to get
across to you. A follow-up can be set for *any* message. It doesn't
have anything to do with the original post at all.
Stepping on a thread in progress and accusing everyone who participated
of flooding another group is irresponsible, especially coming from
news.admin.* tree.
Once again, YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT ENTIRELY. He's *not* accusing
everyone who participated in the actual thread of anything.. He's
addressing people WHO REPLIED TO THE DEAD BABY RECIPES -- the spam --
which DO have the follow-up-to header set to the admin group. That's
why he *referred* and *quoted the *spam* message.
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Then why didn't he change the subject or post to the thread that was
supposedly having the problem ?
| Quote: | I don't mean to be curt, but *you* are the one who started in and
demanded an apology when you're clearly not understanding what's going
on.
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She understands that his post didn't belong in this thread, was cryptic
in it's message and improperly formatted in the quoting area. |
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NormanM
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Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:03 am Post subject:
Re: Do wireless routers slow down cable internet access? |
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In article <33fgm6F3tptlbU1@individual.net>, $Bill says...
| Quote: | NormanM wrote:
In article <241125577272222638-afbeaa@netstreet.net>, Garner Miller says...
Fresh Sausage
If it becomes necessary to hide the fact that you are eating
human babies...
Anybody who responded to this post without checking where the Followup-To is
set is participating in a flood of another newsgroup. Heads up and pay
attention; the poster is trying to induce you to flood "news.admin.net-
abuse.email". Please restrain yourselves!
That's not even Garner's post you have quoted there.
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Never said it was. It is a "sporgery", I believe that is the term; designed
to draw a response that will flood another group. The entity responsible is
either "Hipcrime", or one of his minions, or a clone.
--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint |
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NormanM
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Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:10 am Post subject:
Re: Do wireless routers slow down cable internet access? |
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In article <33fir5F3tj977U1@individual.net>, Karyn Guilmore says...
| Quote: | Below are the full headers from the original post. Notice lack of any
followup-to and no cross posting.
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Not the headers in the post I responded to; those look like this:
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Path: newssvr21.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm01.news.prodigy.com!
newsdbm04.news.prodigy.com!newsdst01.news.prodigy.com!
newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsswing.news.prodigy.com!
prodigy.net!news.glorb.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!
news.doit.wisc.edu!news-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!
53ab2750!not-for-mail
From: Garner Miller <garner@netstreet.net>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable
Subject: Re: Do wireless routers slow down cable internet access?
Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:02:52 GMT
Organization: Road Runner
Lines: 72
Approved: Garner Miller <garner@netstreet.net>
Message-ID: <241125577272222638-afbeaa@netstreet.net>
References: <1104191246.651860.256140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.151.25.37
X-Trace: news.doit.wisc.edu 1104224993 18922 146.151.25.37 (28 Dec 2004
09:09:53 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: abuse@doit.wisc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:09:53 +0000 (UTC)
Xref: newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com comp.dcom.modems.cable:163912
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| Quote: | Just how could we have spammed news.admin.net-abuse.email when I and
others clearly had MY message and followup set to
comp.dcom.modems.cable, and reviewed their message in _this_ newsgroup.
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Some NNTP server admins kill these kinds of posts, so you may not have seen
the post I responded to. However, a check of my posting headers should have
revealed the message references.
| Quote: | Care to offer an apology to the users of this newsgroup?
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Nope. Nothing to apologize for. Well, except, maybe, I was a bit careless in
failing to point out that the post I responded to was a forgery, and Garner
Miller definitely was not the poster. But my comment about the post stands;
the Folloup-To: was definitely set to N.A.N.A.E., and anybody who responds
without changing the target group will send her response to that group.
--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint |
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$Bill
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| Posted:
Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:02 am Post subject:
Re: Do wireless routers slow down cable internet access? |
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NormanM wrote:
| Quote: | In article <33fir5F3tj977U1@individual.net>, Karyn Guilmore says...
Below are the full headers from the original post. Notice lack of any
followup-to and no cross posting.
Not the headers in the post I responded to; those look like this:
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Never saw that post on my server - so that explains part of it.
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Path: newssvr21.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm01.news.prodigy.com!
newsdbm04.news.prodigy.com!newsdst01.news.prodigy.com!
newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsswing.news.prodigy.com!
prodigy.net!news.glorb.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!
news.doit.wisc.edu!news-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!
53ab2750!not-for-mail
From: Garner Miller <garner@netstreet.net
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable
Subject: Re: Do wireless routers slow down cable internet access?
Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:02:52 GMT
Organization: Road Runner
Lines: 72
Approved: Garner Miller <garner@netstreet.net
Message-ID: <241125577272222638-afbeaa@netstreet.net
References: <1104191246.651860.256140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.151.25.37
X-Trace: news.doit.wisc.edu 1104224993 18922 146.151.25.37 (28 Dec 2004
09:09:53 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: abuse@doit.wisc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:09:53 +0000 (UTC)
Xref: newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com comp.dcom.modems.cable:163912
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NormanM
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:17 pm Post subject:
Re: Do wireless routers slow down cable internet access? |
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In article <33gmvcF40u8vvU2@individual.net>, $Bill says...
| Quote: | Then why didn't he change the subject or post to the thread that was
supposedly having the problem ?
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Here are the references in my response to the message in question:
References: <1104191246.651860.256140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
<241125577272222638-afbeaa@netstreet.net>
The post I responded to had a message reference, which would put it in some
thread, I suppose. I don't see the point in changing the subject.
| Quote: | She understands that his post didn't belong in this thread, was cryptic
in it's message and improperly formatted in the quoting area.
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What would be "proper formatting" in the quoting area? I will not apologize
for pointing out that a message had an improper "Folloup-To:" set.
--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint |
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$Bill
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| Posted:
Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:12 pm Post subject:
Re: Do wireless routers slow down cable internet access? |
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NormanM wrote:
| Quote: | In article <33gmvcF40u8vvU2@individual.net>, $Bill says...
Then why didn't he change the subject or post to the thread that was
supposedly having the problem ?
Here are the references in my response to the message in question:
References: <1104191246.651860.256140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
241125577272222638-afbeaa@netstreet.net
The post I responded to had a message reference, which would put it in some
thread, I suppose. I don't see the point in changing the subject.
She understands that his post didn't belong in this thread, was cryptic
in it's message and improperly formatted in the quoting area.
What would be "proper formatting" in the quoting area? I will not apologize
for pointing out that a message had an improper "Folloup-To:" set.
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The fact that there was no message that had that content to quote.
Some of our servers must have tossed it.
Since I never saw the orig msg, I bow out and don't think anyone needs
to apologize now that we all understand what's going on. |
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Karyn Guilmore
Guest
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Sat Jan 01, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject:
Re: Do wireless routers slow down cable internet access? |
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NormanM wrote:
| Quote: | In article <33gmvcF40u8vvU2@individual.net>, $Bill says...
Then why didn't he change the subject or post to the thread that was
supposedly having the problem ?
Here are the references in my response to the message in question:
References: <1104191246.651860.256140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
241125577272222638-afbeaa@netstreet.net
The post I responded to had a message reference, which would put it in some
thread, I suppose. I don't see the point in changing the subject.
She understands that his post didn't belong in this thread, was cryptic
in it's message and improperly formatted in the quoting area.
What would be "proper formatting" in the quoting area? I will not apologize
for pointing out that a message had an improper "Folloup-To:" set.
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I didn't see the original message either and was clueless to the whole
affair. Now that I understand what happened, and since my server's
admins also quashed the original posts I retract my request for an
appology, and infact offer one of my own. It's a bummer to be spammed,
that I know first hand.
Please accept _my_ apology for jumping to hasty conclusions. I will
graciously bow out now.
Karyn |
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Karyn Guilmore
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Sat Jan 01, 2005 10:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Do wireless routers slow down cable internet access? |
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$Bill wrote:
| Quote: | NormanM wrote:
In article <33fir5F3tj977U1@individual.net>, Karyn Guilmore says...
Below are the full headers from the original post. Notice lack of any
followup-to and no cross posting.
Not the headers in the post I responded to; those look like this:
Never saw that post on my server - so that explains part of it.
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Ditto! If I had, I would've been clued in a little more.
Excuse me for raising a ruckus.
Happy (and safe) New Year,
Karyn
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Path: newssvr21.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm01.news.prodigy.com!
newsdbm04.news.prodigy.com!newsdst01.news.prodigy.com!
newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsswing.news.prodigy.com!
prodigy.net!news.glorb.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!
news.doit.wisc.edu!news-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!
53ab2750!not-for-mail
From: Garner Miller <garner@netstreet.net
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable
Subject: Re: Do wireless routers slow down cable internet access?
Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:02:52 GMT
Organization: Road Runner
Lines: 72
Approved: Garner Miller <garner@netstreet.net
Message-ID: <241125577272222638-afbeaa@netstreet.net
References: <1104191246.651860.256140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.151.25.37
X-Trace: news.doit.wisc.edu 1104224993 18922 146.151.25.37 (28 Dec 2004
09:09:53 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: abuse@doit.wisc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:09:53 +0000 (UTC)
Xref: newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com comp.dcom.modems.cable:163912
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