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The Other Mike
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:30 am Post subject:
Thinking about voip...a couple of questions |
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Looking at signing up with SunRocket for VOIP but have 2 concerns.
1. Will my ADT alarm still work? I know the alarm itself will but is
there a way to still have it contact ADT when there's an issue?
2. I own 2 older Panasonic Replay units (like Tivo) that dial out and
download channel guides each night...no option to use broadband. Will
these units still be able to dial out if I got VOIP? |
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Marc Popek
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Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:01 am Post subject:
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Perhaps you should keep at LEAST ONE PSTN LINE CONNECTIN. AND USAE A CLT
SWITCH HERE, TO AUTO SWITCH AND ROUTE BETWEEN THE TWO LINE SOUCES?
marc
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5835706677&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
"The Other Mike" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Looking at signing up with SunRocket for VOIP but have 2 concerns.
1. Will my ADT alarm still work? I know the alarm itself will but is
there a way to still have it contact ADT when there's an issue?
2. I own 2 older Panasonic Replay units (like Tivo) that dial out and
download channel guides each night...no option to use broadband. Will
these units still be able to dial out if I got VOIP? |
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The Other Mike
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Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:40 am Post subject:
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So then I'm taking this to mean that the answer for both 1 and 2 is no
unless I keep my existing local service and add this switch. Correct?
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:01:29 GMT, "Marc Popek" <LVMarc@Att.Net> wrote:
| Quote: | Perhaps you should keep at LEAST ONE PSTN LINE CONNECTIN. AND USAE A CLT
SWITCH HERE, TO AUTO SWITCH AND ROUTE BETWEEN THE TWO LINE SOUCES?
marc
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5835706677&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
"The Other Mike" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:52t1p1htbvht9jp7fr15bm08a4invuhud9@4ax.com...
Looking at signing up with SunRocket for VOIP but have 2 concerns.
1. Will my ADT alarm still work? I know the alarm itself will but is
there a way to still have it contact ADT when there's an issue?
2. I own 2 older Panasonic Replay units (like Tivo) that dial out and
download channel guides each night...no option to use broadband. Will
these units still be able to dial out if I got VOIP?
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Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
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Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:01 am Post subject:
Re: PSTN AND VOIP CPMBINED Re: Thinking about voip...a coupl |
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"Marc Popek" <LVMarc@Att.Net> writes:
| Quote: | Perhaps you should keep at LEAST ONE PSTN LINE CONNECTIN. AND USAE A CLT
SWITCH HERE, TO AUTO SWITCH AND ROUTE BETWEEN THE TWO LINE SOUCES?
"The Other Mike" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:52t1p1htbvht9jp7fr15bm08a4invuhud9@4ax.com...
Looking at signing up with SunRocket for VOIP but have 2 concerns.
1. Will my ADT alarm still work? I know the alarm itself will but is
there a way to still have it contact ADT when there's an issue?
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Why wouldn't he just want to plug the alarm into the outside line?
-wolfgang
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Direct SIP URL Dialing: http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/phonedirectory.html |
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Vox Humana
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Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:40 am Post subject:
Re: PSTN AND VOIP CPMBINED Re: Thinking about voip...a coupl |
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"Wolfgang S. Rupprecht"
<wolfgang+gnus20051204T130953@dailyplanet.dontspam.wsrcc.com> wrote in
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"Marc Popek" <LVMarc@Att.Net> writes:
Perhaps you should keep at LEAST ONE PSTN LINE CONNECTIN. AND USAE A CLT
SWITCH HERE, TO AUTO SWITCH AND ROUTE BETWEEN THE TWO LINE SOUCES?
"The Other Mike" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:52t1p1htbvht9jp7fr15bm08a4invuhud9@4ax.com...
Looking at signing up with SunRocket for VOIP but have 2 concerns.
1. Will my ADT alarm still work? I know the alarm itself will but is
there a way to still have it contact ADT when there's an issue?
Why wouldn't he just want to plug the alarm into the outside line?
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Most alarms have a modem that transmit the data to the central office. I
don't know how reliable a modem is over VOIP. |
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Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
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Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:23 am Post subject:
Re: PSTN AND VOIP CPMBINED Re: Thinking about voip...a coupl |
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"Vox Humana" <vhumana@hotmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | Most alarms have a modem that transmit the data to the central office. I
don't know how reliable a modem is over VOIP.
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I agree. The voip line is a bit of a crap shoot with data over it.
The one thing that may help is that the alarm modems are downright
ancient and only transmit a few bytes of data. Compared to faxes or
modern v.92 modems, I'd give the alarms a lot higher probability of
making it out.
Of course, there are many more things to go wrong in a voip system.
(My objection to the 2-line -> 1-line Radio-Shack device was that it
didn't solve the stated problem. Mixing the two lines doesn't help in
getting the alarm signal out. Personally I'd just keep the pots line
but go for the cheapest pay-by-the-minute billing plan and hook the
alarm to that.)
-wolfgang
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Vox Humana
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Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:20 am Post subject:
Re: PSTN AND VOIP CPMBINED Re: Thinking about voip...a coupl |
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"Wolfgang S. Rupprecht"
<wolfgang+gnus20051204T170921@dailyplanet.dontspam.wsrcc.com> wrote in
message news:877jakibfy.fsf@bonnet.wsrcc.com...
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"Vox Humana" <vhumana@hotmail.com> writes:
Most alarms have a modem that transmit the data to the central office.
I
don't know how reliable a modem is over VOIP.
I agree. The voip line is a bit of a crap shoot with data over it.
The one thing that may help is that the alarm modems are downright
ancient and only transmit a few bytes of data. Compared to faxes or
modern v.92 modems, I'd give the alarms a lot higher probability of
making it out.
Of course, there are many more things to go wrong in a voip system.
(My objection to the 2-line -> 1-line Radio-Shack device was that it
didn't solve the stated problem. Mixing the two lines doesn't help in
getting the alarm signal out. Personally I'd just keep the pots line
but go for the cheapest pay-by-the-minute billing plan and hook the
alarm to that.)
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I wish the phone company would offer a rally cheap "life line" service for a
few dollars a month. Unfortunately it is an all-or-nothing situation here.
They were nasty when I wanted to port my number to the VOIP provider, but
they offered no competitive alternative. All things considered, they should
offer some minimal service to try to retain customers. I think that Time
Warner is really snatching their customers, both for VOIP and internet, even
though TW's VOIP price is insanely expensive.
As for the combine-a-line device, it has its problems. I guess I didn't
fully understand how it worked when I bought one from Ebay. I does route
the call for either port on my ATA to my common phone line which rings all
the phones in my house. The problem is that the default line becomes which
ever line someone last called in on. I had my local line ported to one
service and bought an out-of-town DID from another provider so relatives in
another city could call me without paying long distance fees. Each is set-up
on a different port on the ATA. I hadn't intended to dial out on the
out-of-town line, but I had to buy minutes from both companies because I
never know which line will be selected. The switch is in the basement so it
isn't convenient to run up and down steps to change the switch to the line I
prefer to call out on. |
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Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
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Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:20 am Post subject:
Re: PSTN AND VOIP CPMBINED Re: Thinking about voip...a coupl |
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"Vox Humana" <vhumana@hotmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | I wish the phone company would offer a rally cheap "life line" service for a
few dollars a month. Unfortunately it is an all-or-nothing situation here.
They were nasty when I wanted to port my number to the VOIP provider, but
they offered no competitive alternative. All things considered, they should
offer some minimal service to try to retain customers. I think that Time
Warner is really snatching their customers, both for VOIP and internet, even
though TW's VOIP price is insanely expensive.
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I read an interesting blurb about a similar problem IBM had with
respect to their big-iron customers when PC's started eating into
their profits. The former IBM big-wig explained that they were
essentially trapped by their customers. If they had too compelling of
a low-price offering, they'd risk turning lucrative high-paying
customers into lower-paying customers. They basically decided to ride
the price-curve down by reluctantly following gross pricing trends,
but always careful that they didn't accidently offer too good of a
low-price item or service. I wonder if the Bell's aren't in the same
boat with respect to the upstarts with their voip offerings.
| Quote: | As for the combine-a-line device, it has its problems. I guess I didn't
fully understand how it worked when I bought one from Ebay. I does route
the call for either port on my ATA to my common phone line which rings all
the phones in my house. The problem is that the default line becomes which
ever line someone last called in on. I had my local line ported to one
service and bought an out-of-town DID from another provider so relatives in
another city could call me without paying long distance fees. Each is set-up
on a different port on the ATA. I hadn't intended to dial out on the
out-of-town line, but I had to buy minutes from both companies because I
never know which line will be selected. The switch is in the basement so it
isn't convenient to run up and down steps to change the switch to the line I
prefer to call out on.
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Hmm. The fact that it effectively selects a random line for the
outgoing call sounds like a serious flaw. The one I have is an old
Radio Shack unit with three buttons on the top. Two of them are
"radio" type buttons. When you push one the other pops up. This
selects the line that is used for outgoing calls. The third button is
a toggle that allow one to turn the unit on and off. If off, only the
line selected by the radio buttons is connected. When on whichever
line rings is routed to the phone. The bottom says it is a "Duofone
two-line auto controller, Radio Shack cat no. 43-381." This thing is
now 20 years old, but perhaps some digging onGoogle or ebay can turn
up one of these.) Hmm. There seem to be a few hits for it. This
shop has two of them: http://barclayent.com/misc1.htm
-wolfgang
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Marc Popek
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:20 am Post subject:
Re: PSTN AND VOIP CPMBINED Re: Thinking about voip...a coupl |
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vox,
what you say is true about the combine-a-line, the outbound is not defaulted
to a specific line out for outbound...
Upgrade is planned to address this issue........
Marc Popek
CLT inventor
"Vox Humana" <vhumana@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Wolfgang S. Rupprecht"
wolfgang+gnus20051204T170921@dailyplanet.dontspam.wsrcc.com> wrote in
message news:877jakibfy.fsf@bonnet.wsrcc.com...
"Vox Humana" <vhumana@hotmail.com> writes:
Most alarms have a modem that transmit the data to the central office.
I
don't know how reliable a modem is over VOIP.
I agree. The voip line is a bit of a crap shoot with data over it.
The one thing that may help is that the alarm modems are downright
ancient and only transmit a few bytes of data. Compared to faxes or
modern v.92 modems, I'd give the alarms a lot higher probability of
making it out.
Of course, there are many more things to go wrong in a voip system.
(My objection to the 2-line -> 1-line Radio-Shack device was that it
didn't solve the stated problem. Mixing the two lines doesn't help in
getting the alarm signal out. Personally I'd just keep the pots line
but go for the cheapest pay-by-the-minute billing plan and hook the
alarm to that.)
I wish the phone company would offer a rally cheap "life line" service for
a
few dollars a month. Unfortunately it is an all-or-nothing situation
here.
They were nasty when I wanted to port my number to the VOIP provider, but
they offered no competitive alternative. All things considered, they
should
offer some minimal service to try to retain customers. I think that Time
Warner is really snatching their customers, both for VOIP and internet,
even
though TW's VOIP price is insanely expensive.
As for the combine-a-line device, it has its problems. I guess I didn't
fully understand how it worked when I bought one from Ebay. I does route
the call for either port on my ATA to my common phone line which rings all
the phones in my house. The problem is that the default line becomes
which
ever line someone last called in on. I had my local line ported to one
service and bought an out-of-town DID from another provider so relatives
in
another city could call me without paying long distance fees. Each is
set-up
on a different port on the ATA. I hadn't intended to dial out on the
out-of-town line, but I had to buy minutes from both companies because I
never know which line will be selected. The switch is in the basement so
it
isn't convenient to run up and down steps to change the switch to the line
I
prefer to call out on.
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Marc Popek
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:20 am Post subject:
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the reliability of the PSTN ( plain ole phone crap) is higher and surer than
voip by eons. the pstn is battery powered by a huge organization, eager to
keep the pstn running and billing.. to get voip, you need :
power for computer
a booted computer
a voip modem
telephone handset.
for pots pstn phone you need to pat $$ each month for a live independent set
of wires and a switch in town. but for security, for real, if you want
response you need a pstn.....first not voip,, an a back up plan "B"... after
that you need C D & E all at once..
best regards,
marc
"The Other Mike" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | So then I'm taking this to mean that the answer for both 1 and 2 is no
unless I keep my existing local service and add this switch. Correct?
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:01:29 GMT, "Marc Popek" <LVMarc@Att.Net> wrote:
Perhaps you should keep at LEAST ONE PSTN LINE CONNECTIN. AND USAE A CLT
SWITCH HERE, TO AUTO SWITCH AND ROUTE BETWEEN THE TWO LINE SOUCES?
marc
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5835706677&rd=1&sspagena
me=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
"The Other Mike" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:52t1p1htbvht9jp7fr15bm08a4invuhud9@4ax.com...
Looking at signing up with SunRocket for VOIP but have 2 concerns.
1. Will my ADT alarm still work? I know the alarm itself will but is
there a way to still have it contact ADT when there's an issue?
2. I own 2 older Panasonic Replay units (like Tivo) that dial out and
download channel guides each night...no option to use broadband. Will
these units still be able to dial out if I got VOIP?
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Vox Humana
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
Re: PSTN AND VOIP CPMBINED Re: Thinking about voip...a coupl |
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"Marc Popek" <LVMarc@Att.Net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | vox,
what you say is true about the combine-a-line, the outbound is not
defaulted
to a specific line out for outbound...
Upgrade is planned to address this issue........
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I would like to see a default setting and the ability to select a line
remotely. For instance, it would be nice to be able to press the * or #
button and change from one line to the other. The device did allow me to
use all my single line phones with both ports on my ATA, it just didn't
function the way I assumed it would. |
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