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Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? [FIXED] |
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ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
| Quote: | William P.N. Smith <news05@compusmiths.com> wrote:
ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
I tried that idea for 30 seconds. I even turned off with the PSU switch. I powered the system
back on, and it worked!! Woah! What the heck? Why did this work?
Because the drivers are poorly written, and do not fully initialize
the network chip. Some bit is set to zero on power-up, when it gets
set to one the chip doesn't work, and the driver doesn't bother to
clear it. Therefore it won't work till it gets a full power cycle.
Happens all the time in these days of careless programming, limited
testing, and "time-to-market" trumping all else.
Glad you got it sorted out!
Intereting. I might had spoke too soon. After 30 minutes of usage, the network device lost the
cable connection. Had to repeat. Right now, I am trying low speed (10BaseT Half Duplex). So far,
it seems to be working after two hours. We'll see... All I have to say VIA network sucks!
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OK. This is ONE crazy network card. I had another disconnection while playing World of Warcraft,
BUT it wasn't an unplugged network cable error like before. It seems to have forgotten how to
connect. That was like after 10 hours of no problems.
I still had an IP address, but couldn't ping anyone including my router. ipconfig /release
resulted saying my network card wasn't there. Repair didn't work either. Disabling and
re-enabling network card didn't fix it. And what's funny is that it was at 100 Mb/sec speed even
though I told it to use 10 Mb/sec. I set 100 Mb/sec, it said 10 Mb/sec! Ehhh, weird.
I had to use the damn PSU power off and on method to make it work. Piece of crap. I need to get
get a NIC. Ugh. Do VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adapters suck or something?
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Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:18 am Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? [FIXED] |
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| Quote: | I tried that idea for 30 seconds. I even turned off with the PSU switch. I powered the system
back on, and it worked!! Woah! What the heck? Why did this work?
Because the drivers are poorly written, and do not fully initialize
the network chip. Some bit is set to zero on power-up, when it gets
set to one the chip doesn't work, and the driver doesn't bother to
clear it. Therefore it won't work till it gets a full power cycle.
Happens all the time in these days of careless programming, limited
testing, and "time-to-market" trumping all else.
Glad you got it sorted out!
Intereting. I might had spoke too soon. After 30 minutes of usage, the network device lost the
cable connection. Had to repeat. Right now, I am trying low speed (10BaseT Half Duplex). So far,
it seems to be working after two hours. We'll see... All I have to say VIA network sucks!
OK. This is ONE crazy network card. I had another disconnection while playing World of Warcraft,
BUT it wasn't an unplugged network cable error like before. It seems to have forgotten how to
connect. That was like after 10 hours of no problems.
I still had an IP address, but couldn't ping anyone including my router. ipconfig /release
resulted saying my network card wasn't there. Repair didn't work either. Disabling and
re-enabling network card didn't fix it. And what's funny is that it was at 100 Mb/sec speed even
though I told it to use 10 Mb/sec. I set 100 Mb/sec, it said 10 Mb/sec! Ehhh, weird.
I had to use the damn PSU power off and on method to make it work. Piece of crap. I need to get
get a NIC. Ugh. Do VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adapters suck or something?
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FYI.
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 5:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-5B-FD-68-B5
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.123
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.244.0.3
207.217.77.4
E:\>ipconfig /release
Windows IP Configuration
The operation failed as no adapter is in the state permissible for
this operation.
E:\>ipconfig /renew
Windows IP Configuration
The operation failed as no adapter is in the state permissible for
this operation.
Only way to fix this was shut down the computer and turn off the PSU.
--
Allah's Apostle said, "Once while a prophet amongst the prophets was taking a rest underneath a tree, an ant bit him. He, therefore, ordered that his luggage be taken away from underneath that tree and then ordered that the dwelling place of the ants should be set on fire. Allah sent him a revelation: 'Wouldn't it have been sufficient to burn a single ant (that bit you)?'" --Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 54, Number 536
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Robert Redelmeier
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Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:11 am Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? [FIXED] |
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ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
| Quote: | Umm, no. They're homemade (add jacks, cut cables and wires,
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Which way are you wiring, T-568A or -B?
| Quote: | etc). If they had issues, then they wouldn't work on other
computers' network cards. Beside I tried multiple cables.
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Work is a relative term with split pairs. They fail in
funny [non-predictible] ways. A stronger/better transceiver
will tolerate/reject more of the noise they get.
| Quote: | So far, lower speed seems to be holding my cable. I wonder
why faster speed cause problems.
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Two words: split pairs. Electrons may well be color
blind, but they know who their dance [twist] partners are!
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:55 am Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? [FIXED] |
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Robert Redelmeier <redelm@ev1.net.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
Umm, no. They're homemade (add jacks, cut cables and wires,
Which way are you wiring, T-568A or -B?
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No idea. I didn't make them -- my friend did. In case you missed it, turning off computer competely
with the power cord disconnected/PSU off and turning back on, will make the network work again. I
think the onboard network is locking up and not resetting. I never had this problem with any computers
and laptops.
| Quote: | etc). If they had issues, then they wouldn't work on other
computers' network cards. Beside I tried multiple cables.
Work is a relative term with split pairs. They fail in
funny [non-predictible] ways. A stronger/better transceiver
will tolerate/reject more of the noise they get.
So far, lower speed seems to be holding my cable. I wonder
why faster speed cause problems.
Two words: split pairs. Electrons may well be color
blind, but they know who their dance [twist] partners are!
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Allah's Apostle said, "Once while a prophet amongst the prophets was taking a rest underneath a tree, an ant bit him. He, therefore, ordered that his luggage be taken away from underneath that tree and then ordered that the dwelling place of the ants should be set on fire. Allah sent him a revelation: 'Wouldn't it have been sufficient to burn a single ant (that bit you)?'" --Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 54, Number 536
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Robert Redelmeier
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? [FIXED] |
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ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
| Quote: | Robert Redelmeier <redelm@ev1.net.invalid> wrote:
ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
Umm, no. They're homemade (add jacks, cut cables and wires,
Which way are you wiring, T-568A or -B?
No idea. I didn't make them -- my friend did. In case you
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So ask him/her. Either they know about T-568A & -B or they
almost certainly did it wrong, splitting a pair. The correct
wiring is counter-intuitive. The two intuitive patterns
(side-by-side and USOC) both result in splitting a two pairs,
one of which is used by 10baseT/100baseTX.
| Quote: | missed it, turning off computer competely with the power
cord disconnected/PSU off and turning back on, will make the
network work again. I think the onboard network is locking up
and not resetting. I never had this problem with any computers
and laptops.
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Split pairs on short cables can definitely cause these types of
marginal/intermittant faults. As can wrong plugs or movement
of plugs crimpled on solid cable. Correctly crimping plugs is
an advanced art, but the failures aren't always immediate.
Look carefully through the plastic plug at the individual
wires. What order are the colors in? But it can be extremely
hard to tell the blue/white from the green/white, which is
the usual DIY error.
-- Robert |
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:09 am Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? [FIXED] |
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Robert Redelmeier <redelm@ev1.net.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
Robert Redelmeier <redelm@ev1.net.invalid> wrote:
ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
Umm, no. They're homemade (add jacks, cut cables and wires,
Which way are you wiring, T-568A or -B?
No idea. I didn't make them -- my friend did. In case you
So ask him/her. Either they know about T-568A & -B or they
almost certainly did it wrong, splitting a pair. The correct
wiring is counter-intuitive. The two intuitive patterns
(side-by-side and USOC) both result in splitting a two pairs,
one of which is used by 10baseT/100baseTX.
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We don't remember since it was done like about five years ago. My friend thinks it was "-B". Is there a
way to check? Any photographs to show so I can check? I hope they are distinguishable.
Weird, the last two overnights (10 hours), no problems. This is before the first disconnection and having
to power off the machine completely to reset the network. I turn the machines off when I am at work (14
hours or so).
| Quote: | missed it, turning off computer competely with the power
cord disconnected/PSU off and turning back on, will make the
network work again. I think the onboard network is locking up
and not resetting. I never had this problem with any computers
and laptops.
Split pairs on short cables can definitely cause these types of
marginal/intermittant faults. As can wrong plugs or movement
of plugs crimpled on solid cable. Correctly crimping plugs is
an advanced art, but the failures aren't always immediate.
Look carefully through the plastic plug at the individual
wires. What order are the colors in? But it can be extremely
hard to tell the blue/white from the green/white, which is
the usual DIY error.
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Any photographs of this so I can compare? I am pretty sure the cables are fine other computer and network
cards do not have problems. Only this specific motherboard's onboard network has this problem.
--
Allah's Apostle said, "Once while a prophet amongst the prophets was taking a rest underneath a tree, an ant bit him. He, therefore, ordered that his luggage be taken away from underneath that tree and then ordered that the dwelling place of the ants should be set on fire. Allah sent him a revelation: 'Wouldn't it have been sufficient to burn a single ant (that bit you)?'" --Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 54, Number 536
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Robert Redelmeier
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:31 am Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? [FIXED] |
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ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
| Quote: | We don't remember since it was done like about five years
ago. My friend thinks it was "-B". Is there a way to
check? Any photographs to show so I can check? I hope they
are distinguishable.
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They are very distinguishable, but it doesn't matter
-- both are good, but precious little else is.
| Quote: | Any photographs of this so I can compare?
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Sure. Search the web.
| Quote: | I am pretty sure the cables are fine other computer and
network cards do not have problems. Only this specific
motherboard's onboard network has this problem.
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This is an intermittant problem. Very typical of split pairs.
Also typical of solid-conductor patchcords.
-- Robert |
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