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Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:20 am Post subject:
Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? |
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Recently, I was using the computer and surfing on the Web. Then, all the sudden Windows XP
Professional SP2 (all updates) said network cable was unplugged. I checked the CAT5
ethernet/network cable cable, and it was fine. I tried another cable, and the onboard network
didn't detect it either. I checked both cables on my old Apple PowerBook G4, and they had no
problems.
I even tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and upgrading the VIA VT823x PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
(from Windows Update). Also, reinstalled VIA 4in1 Hyperion driver. None of them helped or
changed anything that I noticed.
Does this sound like the onboard network died? :( I am currently using wireless USB network
which isn't very stable and slow. Thank you in advance. :)
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your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it."
--Surah 27. The Ant, The Ants, line 18
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Robert Redelmeier
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
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It is quite possible your port died :( but they usually don't do
that without reason. (MS-Windows is not viewed by all as sufficient
reason :) Was there any electrical noise going on at the time?
A nearby thunderstorm? Static electricity from dry carpet?
Does the router port still work with that Powerbook?
Router ports are also known to die. How are the link-lights
on both ends?
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J. Clarke
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
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Some things to check. First, is whatever goes on the _other_ end of the
cable OK? Second, inspect the connector on the machine with a good light
and a magnifier and make sure that nothing has gotten lodged in it or bent.
Third, look inside the machine with that same magnifier and good light and
make sure nothing metal has fallen on the circuit traces--check the entire
board, not just near the network connector. Also blow it out with canned
air and turn the machine so that the motherboard is facing down and slap
the back a few times and see if anything dislodges. While you've got the
machine open, plug a cable into the network port and make sure that there
is continuity from the traces on the motherboard to the contacts at the
other end of the cable--I've seen the wires in the jack get bent just
enough that they don't line up with the grooves in the plug and so don't
make contact with the cable, or there might be a bad solder joint. If none
of those reveal any problems then odds are that the port has died.
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--John
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:16 am Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? |
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J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
Recently, I was using the computer and surfing on the Web. Then, all the
sudden Windows XP Professional SP2 (all updates) said network cable was
unplugged. I checked the CAT5 ethernet/network cable cable, and it was
fine. I tried another cable, and the onboard network didn't detect it
either. I checked both cables on my old Apple PowerBook G4, and they had
no problems.
I even tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and upgrading the VIA VT823x PCI
Fast Ethernet Adapter (from Windows Update). Also, reinstalled VIA 4in1
Hyperion driver. None of them helped or changed anything that I noticed.
Does this sound like the onboard network died? :( I am currently using
wireless USB network which isn't very stable and slow. Thank you in
advance. :)
Some things to check. First, is whatever goes on the _other_ end of the
cable OK? Second, inspect the connector on the machine with a good light
and a magnifier and make sure that nothing has gotten lodged in it or bent.
Third, look inside the machine with that same magnifier and good light and
make sure nothing metal has fallen on the circuit traces--check the entire
board, not just near the network connector. Also blow it out with canned
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I will have to check later.
| Quote: | air and turn the machine so that the motherboard is facing down and slap
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The motherboard isn't that old so no dust to blow out yet. :)
| Quote: | the back a few times and see if anything dislodges. While you've got the
machine open, plug a cable into the network port and make sure that there
is continuity from the traces on the motherboard to the contacts at the
other end of the cable--I've seen the wires in the jack get bent just
enough that they don't line up with the grooves in the plug and so don't
make contact with the cable, or there might be a bad solder joint. If none
of those reveal any problems then odds are that the port has died.
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OK. Will look at those too.
--
At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it." --Surah 27. The Ant, The Ants, line 18
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:21 am Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? |
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| Quote: | Recently, I was using the computer and surfing on the Web. Then,
all the sudden Windows XP Professional SP2 (all updates) said
network cable was unplugged. I checked the CAT5 ethernet/network
cable cable, and it was fine. I tried another cable, and the
onboard network didn't detect it either. I checked both cables
on my old Apple PowerBook G4, and they had no problems.
I even tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and upgrading the VIA
VT823x PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (from Windows Update). Also,
reinstalled VIA 4in1 Hyperion driver. None of them helped or
changed anything that I noticed.
Does this sound like the onboard network died? :( I am currently
using wireless USB network which isn't very stable and slow.
It is quite possible your port died :( but they usually don't do
that without reason. (MS-Windows is not viewed by all as sufficient
reason :) Was there any electrical noise going on at the time?
A nearby thunderstorm? Static electricity from dry carpet?
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Noise? Not that I know of. I have an APC UPS and didn't hear any beeps. I assume it can detect
those noises. Thunderstorms? Nope. Static electricity, maybe -- how can I determine that?
| Quote: | Does the router port still work with that Powerbook?
Router ports are also known to die. How are the link-lights
on both ends?
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Yes. The network light between the EPS motherboard and the router: The router's light for that
cable was not on. However, I did notice the green light on the motherboard near the network jack.
It is ALWAYS on regardless if cable is connected or disconnected. Maybe a clue?
--
At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it." --Surah 27. The Ant, The Ants, line 18
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J. Clarke
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:26 am Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? |
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ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
| Quote: | J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote:
ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
Recently, I was using the computer and surfing on the Web. Then, all
the sudden Windows XP Professional SP2 (all updates) said network cable
was unplugged. I checked the CAT5 ethernet/network cable cable, and it
was fine. I tried another cable, and the onboard network didn't detect
it either. I checked both cables on my old Apple PowerBook G4, and they
had no problems.
I even tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and upgrading the VIA VT823x
PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (from Windows Update). Also, reinstalled VIA
4in1 Hyperion driver. None of them helped or changed anything that I
noticed.
Does this sound like the onboard network died? :( I am currently using
wireless USB network which isn't very stable and slow. Thank you in
advance. :)
Some things to check. First, is whatever goes on the _other_ end of the
cable OK? Second, inspect the connector on the machine with a good light
and a magnifier and make sure that nothing has gotten lodged in it or
bent. Third, look inside the machine with that same magnifier and good
light and make sure nothing metal has fallen on the circuit traces--check
the entire
board, not just near the network connector. Also blow it out with canned
I will have to check later.
air and turn the machine so that the motherboard is facing down and slap
The motherboard isn't that old so no dust to blow out yet. :)
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I meant blow out the connector but I see I wasn't clear.
| Quote: | the back a few times and see if anything dislodges. While you've got the
machine open, plug a cable into the network port and make sure that there
is continuity from the traces on the motherboard to the contacts at the
other end of the cable--I've seen the wires in the jack get bent just
enough that they don't line up with the grooves in the plug and so don't
make contact with the cable, or there might be a bad solder joint. If
none of those reveal any problems then odds are that the port has died.
OK. Will look at those too.
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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Robert Redelmeier
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:48 am Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? |
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ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
| Quote: | Static electricity, maybe -- how can I determine that?
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Do you throw sparks indoors? Could you or someone else have
thrown one near your network?
| Quote: | Yes. The network light between the EPS motherboard and the
router: The router's light for that cable was not on. However,
I did notice the green light on the motherboard near the
network jack. It is ALWAYS on regardless if cable is connected
or disconnected. Maybe a clue?
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If that router port works for other equipment, but not
the PC even though it once did, I'd say your PC port died.
-- Robert |
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J. Clarke
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:49 am Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? |
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J. Clarke wrote:
| Quote: | ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote:
ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
Recently, I was using the computer and surfing on the Web. Then, all
the sudden Windows XP Professional SP2 (all updates) said network
cable was unplugged. I checked the CAT5 ethernet/network cable cable,
and it was fine. I tried another cable, and the onboard network didn't
detect it either. I checked both cables on my old Apple PowerBook G4,
and they had no problems.
I even tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and upgrading the VIA VT823x
PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (from Windows Update). Also, reinstalled VIA
4in1 Hyperion driver. None of them helped or changed anything that I
noticed.
Does this sound like the onboard network died? :( I am currently using
wireless USB network which isn't very stable and slow. Thank you in
advance. :)
Some things to check. First, is whatever goes on the _other_ end of the
cable OK? Second, inspect the connector on the machine with a good
light and a magnifier and make sure that nothing has gotten lodged in it
or bent. Third, look inside the machine with that same magnifier and
good light and make sure nothing metal has fallen on the circuit
traces--check the entire
board, not just near the network connector. Also blow it out with
canned
I will have to check later.
air and turn the machine so that the motherboard is facing down and slap
The motherboard isn't that old so no dust to blow out yet. :)
I meant blow out the connector but I see I wasn't clear.
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Thinking about it further, I meant blow out both the connector and the
board, the board because if there's a screw or nut or wire end or little
snipped of tinfoil or anything shorting a couple of traces it may be hard
to see, but blowing it out may dislodge it.
| Quote: | the back a few times and see if anything dislodges. While you've got
the machine open, plug a cable into the network port and make sure that
there is continuity from the traces on the motherboard to the contacts
at the other end of the cable--I've seen the wires in the jack get bent
just enough that they don't line up with the grooves in the plug and so
don't
make contact with the cable, or there might be a bad solder joint. If
none of those reveal any problems then odds are that the port has died.
OK. Will look at those too.
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--John
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? [FIXED] |
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Someone suggested this in a MS newsgroup
(http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/tree/browse_frm/thread/9f5766dfdeb13de0/0a0bc06b4eca6fd3?rnum=1&hl=en&q=antant%40zimage.com&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fmicrosoft.public.windowsxp.general%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F9f5766dfdeb13de0%2Ff1e925c5f4196d7d%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dantant%40zimage.com%26rnum%3D1%26hl%3Den%26#doc_4db3ee09dc1530e4
(http://tinyurl.com/9x3jm).
"I had this happen a few times. The fix for me was to shut down and
unplug the main power cord to take all power from the computer for
about 10 sec. Boot up and works fine. I thought my on board was shot
too but that got it going. Had to do it maybe 2 times in the last
year."
I do turn the system off when I don't use it for hours, but do not remove the power from plug.
That probably explains why I still see a green light on my network card when the system is off
as well.
I tried that idea for 30 seconds. I even turned off with the PSU switch. I powered the system
back on, and it worked!! Woah! What the heck? Why did this work?
ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
| Quote: | Recently, I was using the computer and surfing on the Web. Then, all the sudden Windows XP
Professional SP2 (all updates) said network cable was unplugged. I checked the CAT5
ethernet/network cable cable, and it was fine. I tried another cable, and the onboard network
didn't detect it either. I checked both cables on my old Apple PowerBook G4, and they had no
problems.
I even tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and upgrading the VIA VT823x PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
(from Windows Update). Also, reinstalled VIA 4in1 Hyperion driver. None of them helped or
changed anything that I noticed.
Does this sound like the onboard network died? :( I am currently using wireless USB network
which isn't very stable and slow. Thank you in advance. :)
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At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it." --Surah 27. The Ant, The Ants, line 18
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William P.N. Smith
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? [FIXED] |
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ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
| Quote: | I tried that idea for 30 seconds. I even turned off with the PSU switch. I powered the system
back on, and it worked!! Woah! What the heck? Why did this work?
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Because the drivers are poorly written, and do not fully initialize
the network chip. Some bit is set to zero on power-up, when it gets
set to one the chip doesn't work, and the driver doesn't bother to
clear it. Therefore it won't work till it gets a full power cycle.
Happens all the time in these days of careless programming, limited
testing, and "time-to-market" trumping all else.
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? [FIXED] |
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William P.N. Smith <news05@compusmiths.com> wrote:
| Quote: | ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
I tried that idea for 30 seconds. I even turned off with the PSU switch. I powered the system
back on, and it worked!! Woah! What the heck? Why did this work?
Because the drivers are poorly written, and do not fully initialize
the network chip. Some bit is set to zero on power-up, when it gets
set to one the chip doesn't work, and the driver doesn't bother to
clear it. Therefore it won't work till it gets a full power cycle.
Happens all the time in these days of careless programming, limited
testing, and "time-to-market" trumping all else.
Glad you got it sorted out!
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Intereting. I might had spoke too soon. After 30 minutes of usage, the network device lost the
cable connection. Had to repeat. Right now, I am trying low speed (10BaseT Half Duplex). So far,
it seems to be working after two hours. We'll see... All I have to say VIA network sucks!
--
At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it." --Surah 27. The Ant, The Ants, line 18
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Robert Redelmeier
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:38 pm Post subject:
Re: Did ECS K8M800M2's onboard network die? [FIXED] |
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ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
| Quote: | Intereting. I might had spoke too soon. After 30 minutes of
usage, the network device lost the cable connection. Had
to repeat. Right now, I am trying low speed (10BaseT
Half Duplex). So far, it seems to be working after two
hours. We'll see... All I have to say VIA network sucks!
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Perhaps. Is your cabling good Cat5 factory crimps?
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:33 am Post subject:
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Robert Redelmeier <redelm@ev1.net.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
Intereting. I might had spoke too soon. After 30 minutes of
usage, the network device lost the cable connection. Had
to repeat. Right now, I am trying low speed (10BaseT
Half Duplex). So far, it seems to be working after two
hours. We'll see... All I have to say VIA network sucks!
Perhaps. Is your cabling good Cat5 factory crimps?
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Umm, no. They're homemade (add jacks, cut cables and wires, etc). If they had issues, then they
wouldn't work on other computers' network cards. Beside I tried multiple cables.
So far, lower speed seems to be holding my cable. I wonder why faster speed cause problems.
--
At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it." --Surah 27. The Ant, The Ants, line 18
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glen herrmannsfeldt
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:28 am Post subject:
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ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
(snip)
| Quote: | Umm, no. They're homemade (add jacks, cut cables and wires, etc). If they had issues, then they
wouldn't work on other computers' network cards. Beside I tried multiple cables.
So far, lower speed seems to be holding my cable. I wonder why faster speed cause problems.
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Mispaired cables will often work at 10baseT speed and fail at 100baseTX.
It MUST be that pins 1 and 2 are a twisted pair and pins 3 and 6 another
twisted pair. If you didn't wire them that way, such as by using one
of the standard pinouts then it is likely that they are wrong.
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:28 am Post subject:
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glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
| Quote: | ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
(snip)
Umm, no. They're homemade (add jacks, cut cables and wires, etc). If they had issues, then they
wouldn't work on other computers' network cards. Beside I tried multiple cables.
So far, lower speed seems to be holding my cable. I wonder why faster speed cause problems.
Mispaired cables will often work at 10baseT speed and fail at 100baseTX.
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| Quote: | It MUST be that pins 1 and 2 are a twisted pair and pins 3 and 6 another
twisted pair. If you didn't wire them that way, such as by using one
of the standard pinouts then it is likely that they are wrong.
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My previous motherboards and other computers had and have no problems with these cables. So, I
highly doubt it is cable problems. I think network interface just sucks. :(
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