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Jesse
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:01 am Post subject:
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James Knott wrote:
| Quote: | Don't mention it. It's the least I could do. ;-)
As to your original question, the fact still remains that it is theft of
services and I will not do anything that encourages such theft. You're
getting the service, please pay for it or cancel it.
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Thanks again, I will re-post and ask anyone who's name is not James
Knott to help me out. I mean, why answer a question to not answer the
question? Must be a very moral person.... |
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Dave
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
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I think you're going to get the same response from most people here. I
don't have much interest in helping people steal.
"Jesse" <jmowen@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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James Knott wrote:
Don't mention it. It's the least I could do. ;-)
As to your original question, the fact still remains that it is theft of
services and I will not do anything that encourages such theft. You're
getting the service, please pay for it or cancel it.
Thanks again, I will re-post and ask anyone who's name is not James
Knott to help me out. I mean, why answer a question to not answer the
question? Must be a very moral person....
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
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On 11 Nov 2005 12:01:49 -0800, "Jesse" <jmowen@adelphia.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks again, I will re-post and ask anyone who's name is not James
Knott to help me out. I mean, why answer a question to not answer the
question? Must be a very moral person....
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I think it all boils down to how lucky are you feeling? There's
nothing you can do other than detaching all your TVs from the cable
outlets before the installer arrives. He'll then install your internet
connection which means he'll have to climb up the pole outside your
house and that's when the gamble kicks in.
Will he be observant enough to notice that there's an active cable TV
feed going into your house or not? No way to calculate the odds as
there's no way to tell how experienced the installer will be.
People are giving you such a hard time and acting as though you
shimmied up the pole yourself and hacked into their system. The way I
understand it you just moved into your house, hooked your TVs up to
the jacks and you were mysteriously getting a signal. You are not
obligated to fix or report the cable company's mistakes. You are
receiving something through no action of your own that was unsolicited
by you.
Of course, you could always think outside the box. If you want high
speed internet just don't get cable. Get DSL instead. |
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Bill M.
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:47:10 -0600, gray.wizard@moria.mines wrote:
| Quote: | On 11 Nov 2005 12:01:49 -0800, "Jesse" <jmowen@adelphia.net> wrote:
Thanks again, I will re-post and ask anyone who's name is not James
Knott to help me out. I mean, why answer a question to not answer the
question? Must be a very moral person....
I think it all boils down to how lucky are you feeling? There's
nothing you can do other than detaching all your TVs from the cable
outlets before the installer arrives. He'll then install your internet
connection which means he'll have to climb up the pole outside your
house and that's when the gamble kicks in.
Will he be observant enough to notice that there's an active cable TV
feed going into your house or not? No way to calculate the odds as
there's no way to tell how experienced the installer will be.
People are giving you such a hard time and acting as though you
shimmied up the pole yourself and hacked into their system. The way I
understand it you just moved into your house, hooked your TVs up to
the jacks and you were mysteriously getting a signal. You are not
obligated to fix or report the cable company's mistakes. You are
receiving something through no action of your own that was unsolicited
by you.
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Bad advice, I believe. The "action" was the physical act of connecting
one or more TV's to the jacks. That shows intent to defraud, IMHO.
While a person may not be obligated to fix or report the cable
company's mistakes, that's not the same as being able to take
advantage of those mistakes.
| Quote: | Of course, you could always think outside the box. If you want high
speed internet just don't get cable. Get DSL instead.
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Given the widening speed gap between DSL and cable, is it still fair
to call DSL "high speed"?
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Bill |
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Timothy Daniels
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:07 am Post subject:
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"Bill M." wrote
| Quote: | Bad advice, I believe. The "action" was the physical act of connecting
one or more TV's to the jacks. That shows intent to defraud, IMHO.
While a person may not be obligated to fix or report the cable
company's mistakes, that's not the same as being able to take
advantage of those mistakes.
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So just disconnect the TVs. There is no proof, even with the TVs
sitting all over the house next to outlets, that the TVs were ever
connected to the outlets. And the cable companies know that and
they would rather have a happy custome paying for internet (and maybe
later subscribing to TV) than an angry customer who comlains for the
rest of his life about the Evil Cable Company who prosecuted him.
*TimDaniels* |
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$Bill
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:23 am Post subject:
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Timothy Daniels wrote:
| Quote: | "Bill M." wrote
Bad advice, I believe. The "action" was the physical act of connecting
one or more TV's to the jacks. That shows intent to defraud, IMHO.
While a person may not be obligated to fix or report the cable
company's mistakes, that's not the same as being able to take
advantage of those mistakes.
So just disconnect the TVs. There is no proof, even with the TVs
sitting all over the house next to outlets, that the TVs were ever
connected to the outlets. And the cable companies know that and
they would rather have a happy custome paying for internet (and maybe
later subscribing to TV) than an angry customer who comlains for the
rest of his life about the Evil Cable Company who prosecuted him.
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Wouldn't hurt to hook up some rabbit ears or something that resembles
an antennae before they arrive. |
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$Bill
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:24 am Post subject:
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$Bill wrote:
| Quote: | Wouldn't hurt to hook up some rabbit ears or something that resembles
an antennae before they arrive.
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By the way - many cable companies have an amnesty program - you might
want to check that out. |
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:02 am Post subject:
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On 2005-11-11, David Ross <news11@raleighthings.com> wrote:
| Quote: | By this I mean, maybe they moved in a home hooked up their TV to the
cable jack, and what do you know it works. Lets also assume it has
been a couple of months and these people have never been contacted by
the cable company whatsoever. Now on to the question: If these people
Virtually all cable companies now have folks who drive around and check
for signal leakage into unpaid addresses. They then dispatch techs to
"pull the plug" at the distribution box. Different areas have different
check rates. Around here it seems to be 3 to 6 months.
You friend "free" (stolen) service will likely go away in a few months.
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The service isn't stolen if the cable company screwed up & didn't
disconnect the legitimate service by the previous owner. As it is
mostly "buyer beware", then the cable co need to do their job correctly
as the new residents didn't do anything to "steal" service.
The other point is whether the "home" is a condo or apt where basic cable
is provided "free" with the rent/maintenance fee. |
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Warren
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:55 am Post subject:
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plew@csus_abcdefghij.edu wrote:
| Quote: | The service isn't stolen if the cable company screwed up & didn't
disconnect the legitimate service by the previous owner. As it is
mostly "buyer beware", then the cable co need to do their job correctly
as the new residents didn't do anything to "steal" service.
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How did the coax get connected to the TV? Magic?
Someone in the residence had to do something. Even if it wasn't the resident
in control of the property, that person had to have (or is expected to have)
knowledge that cable TV was connected to the TV, and that it wasn't being
paid for. So even if it was connected by magic, that it was allowed to
remain connected was an affirmative act, and that act can be defined as
theft of cable service.
| Quote: | The other point is whether the "home" is a condo or apt where basic cable
is provided "free" with the rent/maintenance fee.
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Then why does this person think they're not supposed to be getting the
service. (Which, by the way, is another indication that they know they're
not paying for a service that they're taking - stealing.)
But when it comes down to it, if they disconnect the coax from the TV set
before the installer arrives, and if they're willing to start paying for
their cable TV service, the cable company is likely going to smile, say
thank you, and forget all about any previous theft (which they can remain in
the dark about, and will have no compelling reason to investigate.)
If they're not willing to start paying for it, and they expect to re-connect
the coax, and once again start stealing the service as soon as the installer
is out the door, then eventually they'll either lose the service, and/or
find themselves in big legal trouble, perhaps paying a big fine. (And
probably lose the cable Internet service, and be put on the list of people
to whom service will never be offered without the payment of a huge
deposit.)
By taking the service without paying for it, they *are* stealing. That the
cable probably shouldn't have been live in the first place does not mitigate
their active theft of the service any more than a burgler can escape
prosecution by noting that the victim had left their door unlocked.
--
Warren H.
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Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
This fall, vacuum up your leaves instead of raking:
http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blackanddecker/blowers.html |
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$Bill
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:20 am Post subject:
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plew@csus_abcdefghij.edu wrote:
| Quote: | The service isn't stolen if the cable company screwed up & didn't
disconnect the legitimate service by the previous owner. As it is
mostly "buyer beware", then the cable co need to do their job correctly
as the new residents didn't do anything to "steal" service.
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Sure it is - if you hook up to it without subscribing it's stolen.
| Quote: | The other point is whether the "home" is a condo or apt where basic cable
is provided "free" with the rent/maintenance fee.
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Now that's another matter. |
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David Ross
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Given the widening speed gap between DSL and cable, is it still fair
to call DSL "high speed"?
I had to do some work over a dial up connection the other day. DSL is |
definitely high speed.
Estimated time for this download is 1 day, 20 hours, .....
:)
Makes it faster to drive someone and copy files to a USB drive. |
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
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On 2005-11-15, $Bill <news@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote:
| Quote: | plew@csus_abcdefghij.edu wrote:
The service isn't stolen if the cable company screwed up & didn't
disconnect the legitimate service by the previous owner. As it is
mostly "buyer beware", then the cable co need to do their job correctly
as the new residents didn't do anything to "steal" service.
Sure it is - if you hook up to it without subscribing it's stolen.
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If the coax from the street was connected without the homeowner's
permission, then that is an invasion like wire-tapping. The cable
company should have disconnected the cable from home or pole instead
of tresspassing.
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The other point is whether the "home" is a condo or apt where basic cable
is provided "free" with the rent/maintenance fee.
Now that's another matter.
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$Bill
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:34 pm Post subject:
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plew@csus_abcdefghij.edu wrote:
| Quote: | On 2005-11-15, $Bill <news@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote:
plew@csus_abcdefghij.edu wrote:
The service isn't stolen if the cable company screwed up & didn't
disconnect the legitimate service by the previous owner. As it is
mostly "buyer beware", then the cable co need to do their job correctly
as the new residents didn't do anything to "steal" service.
Sure it is - if you hook up to it without subscribing it's stolen.
If the coax from the street was connected without the homeowner's
permission, then that is an invasion like wire-tapping. The cable
company should have disconnected the cable from home or pole instead
of tresspassing.
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I'd love to see you in court trying to argue that. If your TV is hooked
to the cable and you aren't subscribed, you're going to be paying them
big bucks unless you can come to an suitable agreement. |
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Jesse
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Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:01 am Post subject:
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I'd first off like to thank the 99% of you who thought about the
question at hand and gave me a honest opinion, it is very appreciated.
To answer one of the questions, it is a home and to the best of my
knowledge there is no free cable. Also in regards to the DSL
suggestion, it is not available in my area, if it was I would most
certainly pay for that and keep the cable TV free. What is even more
mysterious about this is that we have several cable jacks in the house
and only one works. I was walking around the basement last weekend
trying to follow where all the cables go. Each room the cable runs to
receives no signal when hooked to a television. However, the one
lonely cord in our family room receives a signal. I almost think that
this lonely wire comes from somewhere else seeing as none of the others
work. Here is what I have decided to do. I called the cable company
and they will come out soon to hook up cable internet as well as cable
TV. I will take everyone's advice, disconnect the active line and hide
the wire deep in the basement. I will take advantage of their new
customer pricing on both services for the promotional period of six
months. Once this promo period is over I will most likely keep the
cable internet and ask them to disconnect the TV. After this is done I
will hook up my hidden wire and see what happens. Thank you all once
again, I love these groups for all the knowledge everyone has on such a
variety of topics. I could, however, do without the moral questions of
if I'm stealing or not. I understand people want to be smart assess,
but lets save that for while were at work, not in forums which are
supposed to be informative. Thanks again. |
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Gary
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Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:51 am Post subject:
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"Jesse" <jmowen@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1132081314.124579.70180@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | I will take everyone's advice, disconnect the active line and hide
the wire deep in the basement. I will take advantage of their new
customer pricing on both services for the promotional period of six
months. Once this promo period is over I will most likely keep the
cable internet and ask them to disconnect the TV. After this is done I
will hook up my hidden wire and see what happens. Thank you all once
again, I love these groups for all the knowledge everyone has on such a
variety of topics. I could, however, do without the moral questions of
if I'm stealing or not.
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At first, you might have been able to pled ignorance as to how you are
getting cable TV service. But now, after reading the above, it is clear
that you're a thief, plain and simple. Better hope you don't get caught.
I, for one, welcome the moral discussions here. This isn't a cable theft
group.
-Gary |
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