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Tony Toews
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:04 am Post subject:
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Folks
Some of the terminology baffles me so I'll ask. I want setup a gateway on my home
ADSL network. The idea is that if I'm out of town I can somehow hit my own
PC/network at home from my laptop at clients or hotel room, with my speakers and
microphone, and make an outgoing phone call from my own phone.
(I have the software in place so I know what IP address is at my home network. I can
currently Terminal Server in quite nicely.)
Yes, yes, I know I could use Skype or whatever but I want to do this all myself.
Among other things the phone number on the callerid will be my own.
Thanks, Tony
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Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:47 am Post subject:
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Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> writes:
| Quote: | I want setup a gateway on my home ADSL network. The idea is that
if I'm out of town I can somehow hit my own PC/network at home from
my laptop at clients or hotel room, with my speakers and microphone,
and make an outgoing phone call from my own phone.
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Well, this is trivial if you have a voip service provider that lets
you bring your own phone. You just set up your computer (or take
another ATA along on the trip with you) and configure the same
account-name/password into it as your home unit. Both units will ring
for incoming calls and either unit (or both) can make outgoing calls
and show the same caller-id number. The voip service providers that
charge by the minute usually couldn't care less how many ATA's you
provision for the same account. There are quite a few that charge in
the 2-3 cent per minute range, so we aren't talking about a lot of
money.
A list of mostly per minute providers can be found at this next URL.
I use both Gefachi and Teliax. Both have no monthlies and have 2 cent
minutes. There are probably others that popped up since the last time
I checked the field. If you find others, please speak up.
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/VOIP+Service+Providers+B2B
The voice service providers that charge you a flat-fee per month
usually don't even let you look at the settings in your ATA. They
have no interest in letting you program several units for the same
account. Unless you make over 1000 - 2000 minutes of calls per month
you'd probably want to avoid these guys anyway. The numbers for the
per minute service will be much more favorable.
Now if you are asking about using your normal analog phone line via a
voip call over the net, you can do that too. Some ATA's like the
Sipura SPA-3000 will let you call out on your analog phone after
calling into the unit via VOIP. I have one of these and that trick
does work, but the quality of the connection isn't that great. I
ended up just using the SPA-3000 as a souped-up answering machine
(along with asterisk). I ask people to just call my voip number and
ignore my analog line all together.
-wolfgang
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Tony Toews
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:20 am Post subject:
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Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> wrote:
| Quote: | The idea is that if I'm out of town I can somehow hit my own
PC/network at home from my laptop at clients or hotel room, with my speakers and
microphone, and make an outgoing phone call from my own phone.
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Oh yeah, when I'm not travelling I spend a fair bit of time in a friends coffee shop
so it'd be nice to make phone calls from there instead of using my more expensive
cell phone. <smile>
Tony
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Tony Toews
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:20 am Post subject:
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"Wolfgang S. Rupprecht" <wolfgang+gnus20051022T182745@dailyplanet.dontspam.wsrcc.com>
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| Quote: | I want setup a gateway on my home ADSL network. The idea is that
if I'm out of town I can somehow hit my own PC/network at home from
my laptop at clients or hotel room, with my speakers and microphone,
and make an outgoing phone call from my own phone.
Well, this is trivial if you have a voip service provider that lets
you bring your own phone.
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I do not have nor do I want a voip service provider.
| Quote: | Now if you are asking about using your normal analog phone line via a
voip call over the net, you can do that too.
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Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Using a headset and microphone attached to my
laptop.
| Quote: | Some ATA's like the
Sipura SPA-3000 will let you call out on your analog phone after
calling into the unit via VOIP. I have one of these and that trick
does work, but the quality of the connection isn't that great. I
ended up just using the SPA-3000 as a souped-up answering machine
(along with asterisk). I ask people to just call my voip number and
ignore my analog line all together.
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So what does ATA stand for? When I visit http://www.sipura.com/products/spa3000.htm
I know what the PSTN acronym means, I think, but not ATA What dos FXO mean?
What do I use as a search term to find devices like this one?
Tony
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Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:00 am Post subject:
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Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> writes:
ATA probably stands for "analog telephone adaptor". FXO is a telco
word that means "connects to a switch" in contrast to FSO which
"connects to a telephone". Aren't you glad you asked. ;-)
I don't think there are any other ATA's that connect to incoming
phone-line side of things (fxo). All the other ones I know of have
one or to telephone interfaces (FSO's). You can try your luck
googling for "ATA FXO", but I suspect all roads will lead back to the
SPA-3000.
The only other possibilities I know of are running asterisk and
getting a cheap fxo PCI card. The official asterisk card by itself is
about the same price as the spa-3000, so you don't save any money
going that route, but you do get the flexibility of using asterisk as
a really tricked-out fully-programmable answering machine.
-wolfgang |
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Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:18 am Post subject:
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[ try #2, I superseded the earlier article but some news servers will
show it anyway. A brain fart made me type FSO instead of FXS. -wsr ]
Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> writes:
ATA probably stands for "analog telephone adaptor". FXO is a telco
word that means "connects to a switch" in contrast to FXS which
"connects to a telephone". Aren't you glad you asked. ;-)
You can try your luck googling for "ATA FXO", but the pickings are
fairly slim. I just looked and in addition to the Sipura SPA-3000
there is now the Grandstream Handytone ATA-488.
The only other possibilities I know of are running asterisk and
getting a Digium FXO PCI card. The official asterisk card by itself
is about the same price as the SPA-3000, so you don't save any money
going that route, but you do get the flexibility of using asterisk as
a really tricked-out fully-programmable answering machine. Thats more
or less what I do, but I use a SPA-3000 to keep the phone line at
least one black-box away from my computer.
-wolfgang |
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Tony Toews
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:29 am Post subject:
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"Wolfgang S. Rupprecht" <wolfgang+gnus20051023T114943@dailyplanet.dontspam.wsrcc.com>
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| Quote: | ATA probably stands for "analog telephone adaptor". FXO is a telco
word that means "connects to a switch" in contrast to FXS which
"connects to a telephone". Aren't you glad you asked. ;-)
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Ahhhh, Makes sense from what use I'd seen of those terms. Thanks muchly.
| Quote: | You can try your luck googling for "ATA FXO", but the pickings are
fairly slim. I just looked and in addition to the Sipura SPA-3000
there is now the Grandstream Handytone ATA-488.
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Thanks for browsing for me.
| Quote: | The only other possibilities I know of are running asterisk and
getting a Digium FXO PCI card. The official asterisk card by itself
is about the same price as the SPA-3000, so you don't save any money
going that route, but you do get the flexibility of using asterisk as
a really tricked-out fully-programmable answering machine. Thats more
or less what I do, but I use a SPA-3000 to keep the phone line at
least one black-box away from my computer.
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I already have some software running on my home system that does voicemail and fax
using an el cheapo PCI voice modem. And it emails those to me. Besides Asterisk,
from what I've been able to glean runs under Linux thus requiring it's own machine.
That's something I'm not at all sure I want to get into right now.
Mind you I really like the concept of open source PBX systems and so forth. I'll
have to fire these links off to my buddies who would think these kinds of things are
really, really cool. <smile> (Done. Along with an editorial comment on how you
could likely have a backup PBX as well as a primary PBX for the same price as the
commerical systems.)
So an stand alone black box with an RJ 45 and POTS connections will do me just fine.
All I'd need to do is configure my router to route the incoming packets on the
port(s) to the black box.
Thanks muchly, Tony
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Tony Toews
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:50 am Post subject:
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Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Some of the terminology baffles me so I'll ask. I want setup a gateway on my home
ADSL network.
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It has been suggested that I use the Firefly as the client phone software on my
laptop.
Tony
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NEP
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Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
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Sorry as I am not sure did I get your meaning exactly.
You want to call on SIP via internet thru laptop on software while you are
out of town in something like hotel?
If so, you can try to use my net fone, as they have a software version which
u can call via SIP services to any australian phone no..
I never try that as I did purchase a phone style VoIP using SIP Services.
If you only want to call back to home via internet to save the money, I can
suggest you this:
http://www.uni-net.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=4&id=76&Itemid=41
If you want further information you can check it out from them.
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| Quote: | Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> wrote:
Some of the terminology baffles me so I'll ask. I want setup a gateway on
my home
ADSL network.
It has been suggested that I use the Firefly as the client phone software
on my
laptop.
Tony
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Tony Toews
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Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:30 pm Post subject:
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"NEP" <nep@nep.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Sorry as I am not sure did I get your meaning exactly.
You want to call on SIP via internet thru laptop on software while you are
out of town in something like hotel?
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Correct.
But what do you mean by SIP?
Actually I wouldn't really be saving money as my telco's long distance is likely a
bit more expensive than some of the Internet phone options.
Tony
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Tony Toews
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Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject:
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"NEP" <nep@nep.com> wrote:
| Quote: | If you only want to call back to home via internet to save the money, I can
suggest you this:
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No, I want to make outgoing calls via my home telephone line while I'm out of town or
at my coffee shop.
Tony
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Ivor Jones
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| Quote: | I ended up just using the SPA-3000 as a souped-up
answering machine (along with asterisk).
What would you have used instead? I'm considering a
similar sort of setup, along with asterisk, and wonder
which units to consider. Using an SPA-3000 (or similar)
would allow bypassing the VoIP setup should power go out,
granted only on the analog handset attached to it but I
can live with that. I'm looking to add at least two other
analog 'lines' internally to use as extensions with
normal telco handsets. But only the one outside POTS
line and, of course, a DSL connection.
-Bill Kearney
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I use an AVM Fritz!Box Fon (www.avm.de/en) with the two phone ports
feeding into a London 16 PABX, which then feeds all the phones in the
house. The POTS line also connects into the Fritz!Box as a backup in case
of power failure, although only the phones designated as power-fail phones
will work in this case. The other advantage is that dialling rules can be
set to route certain numbers such as emergency calls and premium rate
prefixes via the PSTN rather than over a VoIP line where they are either
not supported or more expensive. It's also possible, using the PABX, to
have a single DECT handset ring for all incoming lines.
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wkearney99
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | I ended up just using the SPA-3000 as a souped-up answering machine
(along with asterisk).
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What would you have used instead? I'm considering a similar sort of setup,
along with asterisk, and wonder which units to consider. Using an SPA-3000
(or similar) would allow bypassing the VoIP setup should power go out,
granted only on the analog handset attached to it but I can live with that.
I'm looking to add at least two other analog 'lines' internally to use as
extensions with normal telco handsets. But only the one outside POTS line
and, of course, a DSL connection.
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Miguel Cruz
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Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> wrote:
| Quote: | No, I want to make outgoing calls via my home telephone line while I'm out
of town or at my coffee shop.
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You have expressed an interest in not signing up with a VoIP service, but at
the risk of incurring your considerable wrath, allow me to suggest you at
least consider it as it may be the easiest solution.
You can sign up for prepaid pay-as-you-go service (no monthly fees), pay 2
cents a minute to USA/Canada/western Europe/developed Asia/Australia, and
configure your caller ID to be whatever you like (including your home
number). Then you can either use a standalone IP phone, or a soft phone on
your computer, and not mess around with anything at home. You save one piece
of equipment, you avoid tying up your home phone line, and you eliminate a
lot of complexity.
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Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:45 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | I ended up just using the SPA-3000 as a souped-up answering machine
(along with asterisk).
What would you have used instead? I'm considering a similar sort of setup,
along with asterisk, and wonder which units to consider. Using an SPA-3000
(or similar) would allow bypassing the VoIP setup should power go out,
granted only on the analog handset attached to it but I can live with that.
I'm looking to add at least two other analog 'lines' internally to use as
extensions with normal telco handsets. But only the one outside POTS line
and, of course, a DSL connection.
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I was so underwhelmed by the quality of a voip call made via my pots
line that I just gave up on the whole idea. The problem was that the
volume was so low I had a hard time hearing the other side. When I
bumped the gain up in the SPA-3000 the echo was quite evident and much
to loud to ignore. I'd hear my own voice echo after half a second or
so. The volume of the echo was roughly the same as the person talking
at the other end.
I briefly thought about getting a digital line such as ISDN. That
should get rid of the electrical echo sources at my end.
Unfortunately, unlike Europe where ISDN often costs the same as analog
(POTS), PacBell wanted quite a bit more.
(It wasn't even possible to find out exactly what they offered and how
much it cost since their web site is so screwed up. "What, you want
us to post a price list where people can see it??? Unthinkable!")
I now use two low-cost voip providers to essentially "host" my phone
connection for me. It is a little bit more expensive to make calls to
my neighbors (2cents/min), but calling even a few miles away it is
cheaper than what I would be paying on the analog line. Echo also
isn't much of an issue. Sometimes there is a bit of echo initially,
but the echo cancelers in the phone system itself manages to tune that
out after a few seconds of training.
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