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Marco
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Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:54 am Post subject:
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Does it exist any alternative to netmeetig allowing to use the same ils
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tnx |
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Dariusz Zolna
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Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:42 am Post subject:
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"Marco" wrote:
| Quote: | Does it exist any alternative to netmeetig allowing to use the same ils
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Try some of our products.
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Jerry
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Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:26 am Post subject:
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Try Groove www.groove.com
"Marco" <m@r.co> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Does it exist any alternative to netmeetig allowing to use the same ils
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital M
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Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:11 am Post subject:
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Yes. Portrait supports ILS service use, and can also share your MSN
messenger list for making calls. In addition it can still use IP based
calling, or SIP servers if available
I'm recommending this to pretty much everyone now, as it's easy to
traverse firewalls and NAT devices, and can also be run as a separate
version on Pocket PC - I recently made some calls from the park over
the road using a PPC with wifi, over to our house's access point (**
Or somebody elses nearby, I forget which I connected to !)
Its very effective. http://research.microsoft.com/~jiangli/portrait
Cheers - Neil
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:54:05 GMT, "Marco" <m@r.co> wrote:
| Quote: | Does it exist any alternative to netmeetig allowing to use the same ils
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tnx
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Marco
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Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:21 am Post subject:
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thanks, i donwloaded it, but i couldnt find anyreference to NAT... i
forwarded ports from 8100 to 8120, but it doesnt work...
"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:87p1c0lj044nuifv9olpl11gov56vf1mf9@4ax.com...
| Quote: | Yes. Portrait supports ILS service use, and can also share your MSN
messenger list for making calls. In addition it can still use IP based
calling, or SIP servers if available
I'm recommending this to pretty much everyone now, as it's easy to
traverse firewalls and NAT devices, and can also be run as a separate
version on Pocket PC - I recently made some calls from the park over
the road using a PPC with wifi, over to our house's access point (**
Or somebody elses nearby, I forget which I connected to !)
Its very effective. http://research.microsoft.com/~jiangli/portrait
Cheers - Neil
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:54:05 GMT, "Marco" <m@r.co> wrote:
Does it exist any alternative to netmeetig allowing to use the same ils
servers?
tnx
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Marco
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Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:27 am Post subject:
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i want a stronger control on what it is doing... nm looks very slow when
tring to connecting, often it gets asleep, i cant stop current "sleeping"
tasks, and i never know what it's doing exactly... really hateful!
"Brian Sullivan MVP" <brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> ha scritto nel
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:37 am Post subject:
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Marco wrote:
| Quote: | i want a stronger control on what it is doing... nm looks very slow
when tring to connecting, often it gets asleep, i cant stop current
"sleeping" tasks, and i never know what it's doing exactly... really
hateful!
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Slowness in establishing a call via an ils when using XP is probably due to
the ILS port number fallback strategy -- XP ( and 2000) assume the ILS is
running on tcp 1002 - most ILS servers use tcp 389. NM trys on tcp 1002
first, times out then tries 389.
If this is what you are seeing -- specifying the port of the ils ( by
appending ":389" (colon 3 8 9) to the ILS server name should help -- it will
avoid the timeout cycle.
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital M
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Tue Jun 08, 2004 9:13 pm Post subject:
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Note that the port numbers I gave are for person to person
connections... to connect to an ILS you'll stil need to open port 398
ougoing (and possibly incoming) as that's the port number they listen
on. The ILS from time to time will ping you to tell if your IP is
still responding, maybe blocking this is interfering with your ability
to logon ?
Also, you can also set up portrait to use your ISP's web proxy** as a
low-bandwidth route in & out ... all traffic then goes over port 80,
with the proxy treating the stream as a long-term file download.
** Or somebody elses, with their permission
Cheers - Neil
On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 21:21:39 GMT, "Marco" <m@r.co> wrote:
| Quote: | thanks, i donwloaded it, but i couldnt find anyreference to NAT... i
forwarded ports from 8100 to 8120, but it doesnt work...
"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:87p1c0lj044nuifv9olpl11gov56vf1mf9@4ax.com...
Yes. Portrait supports ILS service use, and can also share your MSN
messenger list for making calls. In addition it can still use IP based
calling, or SIP servers if available
I'm recommending this to pretty much everyone now, as it's easy to
traverse firewalls and NAT devices, and can also be run as a separate
version on Pocket PC - I recently made some calls from the park over
the road using a PPC with wifi, over to our house's access point (**
Or somebody elses nearby, I forget which I connected to !)
Its very effective. http://research.microsoft.com/~jiangli/portrait
Cheers - Neil
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:54:05 GMT, "Marco" <m@r.co> wrote:
Does it exist any alternative to netmeetig allowing to use the same ils
servers?
tnx
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Tue Jun 08, 2004 9:41 pm Post subject:
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media] wrote:
| Quote: | Note that the port numbers I gave are for person to person
connections... to connect to an ILS you'll stil need to open port 398
ougoing (and possibly incoming) as that's the port number they listen
on.
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Outgoing only is required for ILS access. "Opening" the port incoming is
probably not a good strategy for the client ( but is certainly required at
the ILS end). Though if the party is behind a NAT then logging into an ILS
will not be useful as the registered IP address will be the private IP.
Most inernet facing ILS servers are on port 389, By default though Win2000
based servers use port 1002. I am not sure if Portrait will use 1002.
| Quote: | The ILS from time to time will ping you to tell if your IP is
still responding, maybe blocking this is interfering with your ability
to logon ?
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Actually the ILS does not ever contact the client unsolicited -- if the
client does not reaffirm his logged in status regularly -- a timer on the
entry causes it to be removed. I haven't tested lately but the period I
think is a couple of minutes.
--
Brian Sullivan
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Marco
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Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:35 am Post subject:
Re: Alternatives to nm |
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| Quote: | Slowness in establishing a call via an ils when using XP is probably due
to
the ILS port number fallback strategy -- XP ( and 2000) assume the ILS is
running on tcp 1002 - most ILS servers use tcp 389. NM trys on tcp 1002
first, times out then tries 389.
If this is what you are seeing -- specifying the port of the ils ( by
appending ":389" (colon 3 8 9) to the ILS server name should help -- it
will
avoid the timeout cycle.
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I'll try...
tnx |
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital M
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Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:57 am Post subject:
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Oh, right-o, thanks Brian - its been a while ;-)
<< Inline :
| Quote: | the ILS end). Though if the party is behind a NAT then logging into an ILS
will not be useful as the registered IP address will be the private IP.
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In the case of portrait though, it goes through a NAT with simple
port-forwarding from the public to private IP address, because the
ports in use are fixed (8100, 8110, 8120 only) rather than dynamic.
| Quote: | Most inernet facing ILS servers are on port 389, By default though Win2000
based servers use port 1002. I am not sure if Portrait will use 1002.
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No, I'll have to try that and report back on what ends up in use.
| Quote: | The ILS from time to time will ping you to tell if your IP is
still responding,
Actually the ILS does not ever contact the client unsolicited -- if the
client does not reaffirm his logged in status regularly -- a timer on the
entry causes it to be removed. I haven't tested lately but the period I
think is a couple of minutes.
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OK, I used to get connection requests when I had Zone Alarm set up,
but this was before I parked up behind a NAT and ADSL (IE, I used to
have a dialup a year ago and the ILS seemed to be sending keepalive
which ZA was blocking and logging). Maybe its different for a
non-public IP address.
Cheers - Neil |
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:09 am Post subject:
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media] wrote:
| Quote: | In the case of portrait though, it goes through a NAT with simple
port-forwarding from the public to private IP address, because the
ports in use are fixed (8100, 8110, 8120 only) rather than dynamic.
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That wont matter as far as I know -- the IP that the caller will try to
reach will be the local IP --unless Portrait somehow registers the public IP
(I think that is unlikely but I don't know for sure).
--
Brian Sullivan
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