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Leythos
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:
Re: March 29, 2006 total eclipse - IT admin's WORST NIGHTMAR |
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In article <ccydnSSUvdooUP_eRVn-rg@comcast.com>, charlesnewman1
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"Moe Trin" <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld> wrote in message
news:slrndlft96.hqq.ibuprofin@compton.phx.az.us...
In the Usenet newsgroup comp.security.firewalls, in article
h-WdnQ11oZ45-MveRVnyiw@pipex.net>, Mike wrote:
One question. If this broadcast system is supposed to bring the networks
to a grinding halt, how is anyone supposed to watch the event your
broadcasting? Seems to defeat the object of the exercise to me.
You really don't expect a troll to notice all the little details, do you?
There might be more tests going on. I caught a video
feed of Skate America that was pure genius. It kept
changing port numbers and addresses like crazy.
Based on what this guy kept talking about in the past,
it could be them. It if is, the only way to stop it is
to block everything from ports 1000 through 9000.
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Wrong, any real firewall will block it.
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Somebody.
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject:
Re: March 29, 2006 total eclipse - IT admin's WORST NIGHTMAR |
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"Charles Newman" <charlesnewman1@comcast.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:xYadnf_C5e19lv7eRVn-2A@comcast.com...
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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:o3C8f.73308$Hs.28044@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
In article <ccydnSSUvdooUP_eRVn-rg@comcast.com>, charlesnewman1
@comcast.spam-me-not.net says...
"Moe Trin" <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld> wrote in message
news:slrndlft96.hqq.ibuprofin@compton.phx.az.us...
In the Usenet newsgroup comp.security.firewalls, in article
h-WdnQ11oZ45-MveRVnyiw@pipex.net>, Mike wrote:
One question. If this broadcast system is supposed to bring the
networks
to a grinding halt, how is anyone supposed to watch the event your
broadcasting? Seems to defeat the object of the exercise to me.
You really don't expect a troll to notice all the little details, do
you?
There might be more tests going on. I caught a video
feed of Skate America that was pure genius. It kept
changing port numbers and addresses like crazy.
Based on what this guy kept talking about in the past,
it could be them. It if is, the only way to stop it is
to block everything from ports 1000 through 9000.
Wrong, any real firewall will block it.
Well, the constantly changing ports and addresses, port
blocking is the only feasable way to stop it. With the
real-time monitoring in Tiny Personal Fireall (sorry, but
your hardware firewalls have not learned this yet),
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Wrong, I can do that with the hardware firewalls I use
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watched as addresses and ports changed like crazy,
that would make anything other than port blocking to
be useless. These guys know what they are doing
with computers, and port blocking is the only fesable
way to stop them.
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Wrong, I can think of several other ways to block them with my hardware
firewall
| Quote: | This is where Tiny has the advantage over a hardware
appliance.
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Wrong, your Tiny can crash, use your system resources, be compromised, have
a dll conflict, etc. My hardware firewall cannot. Plus, it has ways to
block this feed that you haven't even thought of, hence your incorrect
statements about what is and isn't possible.
| Quote: | Firewall rules can be given precedence. I
can tell Tiny to block everything from port 1000 to
9000, but if there is something else I want to allow
in that range, I can create rule with a higher precdence
to allow that specific service, while blocking everything
else in the port range. Hardware appliances dont have
precedence for rules like Tiny Personal Firewall does.
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Wrong. Are you serious? What sort of hardware firewalls have you worked
with, a $49 D-link that's 5 years old? That's laughable. Of course they
have rules of precedence.
| Quote: | Score another one for software firewalls.
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Score another *what*? Another uniformed user?
-Russ. |
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Moe Trin
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject:
Re: March 29, 2006 total eclipse - IT admin's WORST NIGHTMAR |
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In the Usenet newsgroup comp.security.firewalls, in article
<11m759og3ihmjd1@news.supernews.com>, Quaestor wrote:
| Quote: | Moe Trin wrote:
Charles - you've been cautioned about your continuing false statements
about hardware.
Oh oh, gonna send him to the back of the room?
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No, but I might start posting a message to look at his posts at
groups.google so that everyone can see he's totally clueless, and
following his suggestions will INCREASE your risks, rather than
help you. He's made so many proven false statements, that even the
newest newbie would see through him.
Old guy |
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Moe Trin
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject:
Re: March 29, 2006 total eclipse - IT admin's WORST NIGHTMAR |
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In the Usenet newsgroup comp.security.firewalls, in article
<xYadnf_C5e19lv7eRVn-2A@comcast.com>, Charles Newman wrote:
| Quote: | With the real-time monitoring in Tiny Personal Fireall (sorry, but
your hardware firewalls have not learned this yet), I watched as
addresses and ports changed like crazy,
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Charles - you've been cautioned about your continuing false statements
about hardware. You have admitted many times that you don't know what
they are - haven't used them because they require knowledge beyond the
microsoft propaganda that you supposedly learned in your ONE networking
class years ago - hell, I bet you don't even know how one operates.
| Quote: | if there is something else I want to allow in that range, I can create
rule with a higher precdence to allow that specific service, while
blocking everything else in the port range.
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Must be something new your technical expert at CompUSA just discovered.
Little clue for you - ALL proper firewalls have that capability INCLUDING
many toy firewalls like yours, and have had for longer than you have been
playing with windoze. I bet you STILL don't understand the concept of a
default rule.
| Quote: | Hardware appliances dont have precedence for rules like Tiny Personal
Firewall does.
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I'm sorry Clueless Charles - but you have no idea WHAT SO EVER about
what you are attempting to talk about. I guess part of the reason
you don't know anything about hardware firewalls is that they don't
have a big screen with smiley and frowny icons for you to click on.
Old guy |
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Quaestor
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject:
Re: March 29, 2006 total eclipse - IT admin's WORST NIGHTMAR |
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Moe Trin wrote:
| Quote: | In the Usenet newsgroup comp.security.firewalls, in article
xYadnf_C5e19lv7eRVn-2A@comcast.com>, Charles Newman wrote:
With the real-time monitoring in Tiny Personal Fireall (sorry, but
your hardware firewalls have not learned this yet), I watched as
addresses and ports changed like crazy,
Charles - you've been cautioned about your continuing false statements
about hardware.
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Oh oh, gonna send him to the back of the room?
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Moe Trin
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject:
Re: March 29, 2006 total eclipse - IT admin's WORST NIGHTMAR |
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In the Usenet newsgroup comp.security.firewalls, in article
<ccydnSSUvdooUP_eRVn-rg@comcast.com>, Charles Newman wrote:
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"Moe Trin" <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld> wrote
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| Quote: | You really don't expect a troll to notice all the little details, do you?
There might be more tests going on. I caught a video
feed of Skate America that was pure genius. It kept
changing port numbers and addresses like crazy.
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So tell us Charles - which one of your dumb users had subscribed to this
service? Or is Skate America broadcasting this to all hosts on your
Comcast network for free?
| Quote: | It if is, the only way to stop it is to block everything from ports
1000 through 9000.
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Learn something about networking before you give advice.
Old guy |
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Leythos
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject:
Re: March 29, 2006 total eclipse - IT admin's WORST NIGHTMAR |
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In article <xYadnf_C5e19lv7eRVn-2A@comcast.com>, charlesnewman1
@comcast.nospam.net says...
| Quote: | Well, the constantly changing ports and addresses, port
blocking is the only feasable way to stop it. With the
real-time monitoring in Tiny Personal Fireall (sorry, but
your hardware firewalls have not learned this yet),
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Constantly changing ports are always blocked by a real firewall
appliance. You really have absolutely NO CLUE ABOUT FIREWALL
FUNCTIONALITY.
You constantly tell this group what a firewall appliance can't do, but
you've never owned a firewall appliance and you have constantly been
told that an appliance will block what you suggest that it wont.
How about you just stop the trolling and purchase a real firewall
appliance and learn a few things about them and then come back to post.
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dr.nil
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Somebody.
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:01 am Post subject:
Re: March 29, 2006 total eclipse - IT admin's WORST NIGHTMAR |
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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:P0P8f.73853$Hs.56646@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
| Quote: | In article <xYadnf_C5e19lv7eRVn-2A@comcast.com>, charlesnewman1
@comcast.nospam.net says...
Well, the constantly changing ports and addresses, port
blocking is the only feasable way to stop it. With the
real-time monitoring in Tiny Personal Fireall (sorry, but
your hardware firewalls have not learned this yet),
Constantly changing ports are always blocked by a real firewall
appliance. You really have absolutely NO CLUE ABOUT FIREWALL
FUNCTIONALITY.
You constantly tell this group what a firewall appliance can't do, but
you've never owned a firewall appliance and you have constantly been
told that an appliance will block what you suggest that it wont.
How about you just stop the trolling and purchase a real firewall
appliance and learn a few things about them and then come back to post.
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But then we'd lose such an amusing pet, what fun would that be?
-Russ. |
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Charles Newman
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject:
Re: March 29, 2006 total eclipse - IT admin's WORST NIGHTMAR |
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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <20051011230612.17973.qmail@nym.alias.net>,
owljolsen@nym.alias.net says...
The only way to detect their use is to put a keylogger on
the machine, and hope the person you are snooping on does not
find it and destroy it.
You are dreaming - it's easy to tell when a wipe/cleaner program has
run, if you don't believe me (or others here) as someone you trust that
knows something about security.
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There is a way. I have heard that in one case in Wisconsin, they detected
Evidence Eliminator use by checking his credit card records, and found
that he purchased the program.
If they want to find out that you used it, then can find out that you
purchased
it by getting a subpoena for your credit card records and discovering your
purchase of the program. |
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Renegade
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:39 pm Post subject:
Re: March 29, 2006 total eclipse - IT admin's WORST NIGHTMAR |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:21:46 +0200, Charles Newman wrote:
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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:eKX2f.31728$tD4.14770@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
In article <20051011230612.17973.qmail@nym.alias.net>,
owljolsen@nym.alias.net says...
The only way to detect their use is to put a keylogger on
the machine, and hope the person you are snooping on does not find it
and destroy it.
You are dreaming - it's easy to tell when a wipe/cleaner program has
run, if you don't believe me (or others here) as someone you trust that
knows something about security.
There is a way. I have heard that in one case in Wisconsin, they detected
Evidence Eliminator use by checking his credit card records, and found
that he purchased the program.
If they want to find out that you used it, then can find out that you
purchased
it by getting a subpoena for your credit card records and discovering your
purchase of the program.
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That is some pretty flimsy evidence though. That only proves that it was
purchased, not that it was ever installed or used on any machine, even at
home. Who is to say that it wasn't purchased and installed on the users
home pc and not the company owned pc?
The instance that you cited would be like you being charged for murder
because a victim was found with stab wounds and your credit card report
showed that you had purchased the Ginsu knife collection on the home
shopping channel. Orwell would love your logic. ;) |
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Moe Trin
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:01 am Post subject:
Re: March 29, 2006 total eclipse - IT admin's WORST NIGHTMAR |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.security.firewalls, in article
<sYWdnTqvvLqGChnenZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Charles Newman wrote:
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
| Quote: | You are dreaming - it's easy to tell when a wipe/cleaner program has
run, if you don't believe me (or others here) as someone you trust that
knows something about security.
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It took you THIS long to figure out a reply?
| Quote: | There is a way. I have heard that in one case in Wisconsin, they detected
Evidence Eliminator use by checking his credit card records, and found
that he purchased the program.
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So you also think that if the police find a credit card record of you
purchasing alcoholic beverages, they can charge you with DWI???
Charles - that is WAY beyond your normal display of gross stupidity.
Do yourself a favor, and buy a disk viewing program so that you can see
what files are located exactly where on the hard disk surface. The old
Norton Utilities application would be one example. If you're actually
following up on your own suggestion, and learning UNIX, something as
easy as 'cat' (the DOS 'type' program is a crude imitation) can do
the trick, though 'dd' would be better.
You _claim_ to have received training as a bean counter. If you didn't
receive training at looking at the obvious - that which is right in
front of your eyes - none of your work should be trusted, as you
failed to include all information - you know, those things your
accounting instructor called "detail".
| Quote: | If they want to find out that you used it, then can find out that you
purchased it by getting a subpoena for your credit card records and
discovering your purchase of the program.
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Maybe my spam filters are to good, but aren't they still offering a
pre-paid debit card from some bank in Texas or Florida through the
barrage of spam for offers YOU NEED?
Old guy |
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