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recommendations for MCU for ILS/Netmeeting ?

 
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Jack Black
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:55 am    Post subject: recommendations for MCU for ILS/Netmeeting ? Reply with quote
Hi All

We have our own ILS server. We would like the ability to have
more than 2 users on Audio/Video. So, we want to purchase
a unit that will help facilitate that.

We have three different locations in three different countries.

Any recommendations out there?

Thank you, Jack Black
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: recommendations for MCU for ILS/Netmeeting ? Reply with quote
Jack Black wrote:
Quote:
Hi All

We have our own ILS server. We would like the ability to have
more than 2 users on Audio/Video. So, we want to purchase
a unit that will help facilitate that.

We have three different locations in three different countries.

Any recommendations out there?


http://www.meetingbywire.com/ConferenceServers.htm has some urls of server
providers that may be useful.

If you have some technical capability there is an open source MCU (
www.openh323.org for info) that is probably a good choice.
( www.fvc.com, www.radvision.com come to mind as well)



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Jack Black
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: recommendations for MCU for ILS/Netmeeting ? Reply with quote
Thanks for the good info.

Will these work in tandum with MS Netmeeting and ILS?

Jack

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Quote:
Jack Black wrote:
Hi All

We have our own ILS server. We would like the ability to have
more than 2 users on Audio/Video. So, we want to purchase
a unit that will help facilitate that.

We have three different locations in three different countries.

Any recommendations out there?


http://www.meetingbywire.com/ConferenceServers.htm has some urls of server
providers that may be useful.

If you have some technical capability there is an open source MCU (
www.openh323.org for info) that is probably a good choice.
( www.fvc.com, www.radvision.com come to mind as well)



--
Brian Sullivan
Meeting by Wire ( http://www.meetingbywire.com)
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: recommendations for MCU for ILS/Netmeeting ? Reply with quote
Jack Black wrote:
Quote:
Thanks for the good info.

Will these work in tandum with MS Netmeeting and ILS?


NetMeeting can be used a client with the ones I indicated ( the degree of
functionality may differ between the options though).

The ILS performs a completely different, unrelated function so I am not sure
what you are asking here. Could you elaborate on your expectations?

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Jack Black
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: recommendations for MCU for ILS/Netmeeting ? Reply with quote
Hi,

Yes to elaborate, we have three offices with various users throughout the
offices working at their workstations that have Netmeeting and a Video Cam.
They all want to conference in Audio/Video for everyone in the three
offices. The offices are in three countries: india, china, USA.

Can you see an option or choice that would be sufficient for this?

Thank you for your time. Jack


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Quote:
Jack Black wrote:
Thanks for the good info.

Will these work in tandum with MS Netmeeting and ILS?


NetMeeting can be used a client with the ones I indicated ( the degree of
functionality may differ between the options though).

The ILS performs a completely different, unrelated function so I am not
sure
what you are asking here. Could you elaborate on your expectations?

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Brian Sullivan
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:00 pm    Post subject: Re: recommendations for MCU for ILS/Netmeeting ? Reply with quote
Jack Black wrote:
Quote:
Hi,

Yes to elaborate, we have three offices with various users throughout
the offices working at their workstations that have Netmeeting and a
Video Cam. They all want to conference in Audio/Video for everyone in
the three offices. The offices are in three countries: india, china,
USA.


I still am not sure of your situation but I can provide some general
information:

1) an ILS is used to provide a client to client connection strategy
(http://www.meetingbywire.com/NetMeeting101.htm has a discussion of the ILS
function and other strategies for connecting in calls).
2) making calls to (and often making calls from) a client that is behind a
NAT router or firewall is problematic often requiring special configurations
and/or an H.323 gatekeeper/gateway functioning in cooperation with the
firewall/router
3) the ILS is generally not useful in situations where parties are behind
NATs -- requiring all parties to have public reachable IPs
4) an MCU provides a mechanism for more than two parties to connect directly
to the MCU and have audio mixed (and video mixed or arbitrated) and fed back
to the parties allowing multiparty audio/video calls
5) the MCU itself provides no mechanism for penetrating NAT
routers/firewalls
6) often MCUs handle only the audio/video(h.323) part of the call -- not the
data (t.120) part of the call




Quote:

Can you see an option or choice that would be sufficient for this?




I don't know exactly what you want to do, what your network setup is, or
even the functions available in the products to even hazard a guess as to
the sufficiency of any products I mentioned ( and I suspect other potential
contributors are in the same boat).

I think you will have to investigate more hands on to see if any particular
product meets your needs.




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Brian Sullivan
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Jack Black
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: recommendations for MCU for ILS/Netmeeting ? Reply with quote
Thank you.

We currenlty have our own ILS server. I was hoping an MCU cuoldn't be
involved with it some how. It appears it can. basically, the ILS server can
be a meeting place to share data and the MCU can share the Video/Audio.

Does this seem correct?

Also, does an MCU allow sharing of video/audio through people on their
worksations? (Or do they ahev to go to the room where the MCU is located?)

Thanks, Jack
"Brian Sullivan MVP" <brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Jack Black wrote:
Hi,

Yes to elaborate, we have three offices with various users throughout
the offices working at their workstations that have Netmeeting and a
Video Cam. They all want to conference in Audio/Video for everyone in
the three offices. The offices are in three countries: india, china,
USA.


I still am not sure of your situation but I can provide some general
information:

1) an ILS is used to provide a client to client connection strategy
(http://www.meetingbywire.com/NetMeeting101.htm has a discussion of the
ILS
function and other strategies for connecting in calls).
2) making calls to (and often making calls from) a client that is behind a
NAT router or firewall is problematic often requiring special
configurations
and/or an H.323 gatekeeper/gateway functioning in cooperation with the
firewall/router
3) the ILS is generally not useful in situations where parties are behind
NATs -- requiring all parties to have public reachable IPs
4) an MCU provides a mechanism for more than two parties to connect
directly
to the MCU and have audio mixed (and video mixed or arbitrated) and fed
back
to the parties allowing multiparty audio/video calls
5) the MCU itself provides no mechanism for penetrating NAT
routers/firewalls
6) often MCUs handle only the audio/video(h.323) part of the call -- not
the
data (t.120) part of the call





Can you see an option or choice that would be sufficient for this?




I don't know exactly what you want to do, what your network setup is, or
even the functions available in the products to even hazard a guess as to
the sufficiency of any products I mentioned ( and I suspect other
potential
contributors are in the same boat).

I think you will have to investigate more hands on to see if any
particular
product meets your needs.




--
Brian Sullivan
Meeting by Wire ( http://www.meetingbywire.com)
------------
Is your PC protected? --
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/default.asp

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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:39 am    Post subject: Re: recommendations for MCU for ILS/Netmeeting ? Reply with quote
Jack Black wrote:
Quote:
Thank you.

We currenlty have our own ILS server. I was hoping an MCU cuoldn't be
involved with it some how. It appears it can. basically, the ILS
server can be a meeting place to share data and the MCU can share the
Video/Audio.

Does this seem correct?


No -- as I said earlier the ILS is a location/call initiation tool -- it
provides no data sharing function.


Quote:

Also, does an MCU allow sharing of video/audio through people on their
worksations? (Or do they ahev to go to the room where the MCU is
located?)




An MCU is a server that allows clients ( the clients could be desktop based
or in some designated space) to connect -- it provides the connection
control, audio/video mixing function. There is no physical "room" involved.
In some senses it provides a "virtual" room.


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