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Suzanne
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:31 pm Post subject:
developing a netmeeting application |
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Hi,
Ive asked before about setting up a closed forum netmeeting application and
Neil helpfully pointed me to his www.fresh-toast.net page.
I think this is the type of application I need to create for my university
final year project - the application is to be for the use of the lecturers
and staff of the School of Computer Science.
I was hoping you could provide me some more information on how to start
developing this.
I noticed that the Netmeeting SDK uses Visual C++, I have no experience of
C++ at all.
Do you have any recommendations about the programming language - I do have
some experience with Visual Basic.
Sorry for asking such basic questions but I am finding it very difficult to
find any helpful information on this type of application
Thanks
Suzanne |
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:51 pm Post subject:
Re: developing a netmeeting application |
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Suzanne wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
Ive asked before about setting up a closed forum netmeeting
application and Neil helpfully pointed me to his www.fresh-toast.net
page.
I think this is the type of application I need to create for my
university final year project - the application is to be for the use
of the lecturers and staff of the School of Computer Science.
I was hoping you could provide me some more information on how to
start developing this.
I noticed that the Netmeeting SDK uses Visual C++, I have no
experience of C++ at all.
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I think that Neil's site is mostly PHP based. Any server based scripting
tool could be used to do something similar ( ASP, ASP.Net, Cold Fusion, Zope
,...). The only NetMeeting SDK interaction there as far as I know is with
the Activex component and Javascript( there is a section in the SDK on doing
that ).
Access via C++ would only be required if you were building a custom
standalone NetMeeting -- from the sounds of your assignment that is not
required.
| Quote: | Do you have any recommendations about the programming language - I do
have some experience with Visual Basic.
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Do you have an experience http server side scripting? I think that would be
the place to start.
--
Brian Sullivan
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Suzanne
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:05 pm Post subject:
Re: developing a netmeeting application |
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Thanks Brian,
I have quite a bit of experience with ASP as I use it in work
Would be a relief if I didnt have to learn a new language from scratch!
Ive also used Javascript too.
From what my project supervisor has explained I should just be creating an
application to run on top of Netmeeting.
That is why I thought a web-based approach would be best.
Thanks for your help
Suzanne
"Brian Sullivan MVP" <brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote in message
news:uLpjrxJ9DHA.2952@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| Quote: | Suzanne wrote:
Hi,
Ive asked before about setting up a closed forum netmeeting
application and Neil helpfully pointed me to his www.fresh-toast.net
page.
I think this is the type of application I need to create for my
university final year project - the application is to be for the use
of the lecturers and staff of the School of Computer Science.
I was hoping you could provide me some more information on how to
start developing this.
I noticed that the Netmeeting SDK uses Visual C++, I have no
experience of C++ at all.
I think that Neil's site is mostly PHP based. Any server based scripting
tool could be used to do something similar ( ASP, ASP.Net, Cold Fusion,
Zope
,...). The only NetMeeting SDK interaction there as far as I know is with
the Activex component and Javascript( there is a section in the SDK on
doing
that ).
Access via C++ would only be required if you were building a custom
standalone NetMeeting -- from the sounds of your assignment that is not
required.
Do you have any recommendations about the programming language - I do
have some experience with Visual Basic.
Do you have an experience http server side scripting? I think that would
be
the place to start.
--
Brian Sullivan
Meeting by Wire ( http://www.meetingbywire.com)
------------
Is your PC protected? --
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/default.asp
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Brian Sullivan MVP
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:46 pm Post subject:
Re: developing a netmeeting application |
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Suzanne wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks Brian,
I have quite a bit of experience with ASP as I use it in work
Would be a relief if I didnt have to learn a new language from
scratch! Ive also used Javascript too.
From what my project supervisor has explained I should just be
creating an application to run on top of Netmeeting.
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I guess that has a pretty broad meaning.
| Quote: | That is why I thought a web-based approach would be best.
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If you want to create a web based meeting place for NetMeeting participants,
something like Neil's site seems like a basic model to use.
You may have to do something more basic than what he has because of time
constraints though.
--
Brian Sullivan
Meeting by Wire ( http://www.meetingbywire.com)
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital M
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:49 pm Post subject:
Re: developing a netmeeting application |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:51:55 -0500, "Brian Sullivan MVP"
<brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I was hoping you could provide me some more information on how to
start developing this.
I noticed that the Netmeeting SDK uses Visual C++, I have no
experience of C++ at all.
I think that Neil's site is mostly PHP based. Any server based scripting
|
PHP + Javascript on the client side. MySQL on the back end. You'll
need to reliably detect the clients public IP address, this is more
difficult than it looks, but you'll learn a lot about HTTP and the
internet infrastructure (hint : check for proxy servers between your
client and the web server)
| Quote: | tool could be used to do something similar ( ASP, ASP.Net, Cold Fusion, Zope
,...). The only NetMeeting SDK interaction there as far as I know is with
the Activex component and Javascript( there is a section in the SDK on doing
that ).
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There are some custom server behaviours to ensure the callee is
available on the detected IP address, mostly to do with opening a
socket on port 1720 and looking for a connection response. Fresh-Toast
also does profiling of client software based on known port matches.
| Quote: | Do you have any recommendations about the programming language - I do
have some experience with Visual Basic.
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VBScript on ASP would do most of the SQL stuff, but you would probably
be stuck needing to download any number of activeX components to IIS
in order to do any network checks.
Cheers - Neil.
========================================================
CaptionKit http://www.captionkit.com : Produce subtitled
internet media, transcripts and searchable video. Supports
Real Player, Quicktime and Windows Media Player.
VideoChat with friends online, get Freshly Toasted every
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital M
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:50 pm Post subject:
Re: developing a netmeeting application |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:46:11 -0500, "Brian Sullivan MVP"
<brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote:
| Quote: | That is why I thought a web-based approach would be best.
If you want to create a web based meeting place for NetMeeting participants,
something like Neil's site seems like a basic model to use.
You may have to do something more basic than what he has because of time
constraints though.
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It took about 6 months to develop all the required components, though
that was mostly evenings / weelends when available. Conference (.cnf)
and email handlers were extra on top.
Cheers - Neil.
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CaptionKit http://www.captionkit.com : Produce subtitled
internet media, transcripts and searchable video. Supports
Real Player, Quicktime and Windows Media Player.
VideoChat with friends online, get Freshly Toasted every
day at http://www.fresh-toast.net : NetMeeting solutions
for a connected world. |
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Suzanne
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Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:47 pm Post subject:
Re: developing a netmeeting application |
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Thanks,
The deadline for my project (including a report) is the end of March
What do you think could be realistically produced by then?
Suzanne
"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:40310fbc.1370300@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| Quote: | On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:51:55 -0500, "Brian Sullivan MVP"
brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote:
I was hoping you could provide me some more information on how to
start developing this.
I noticed that the Netmeeting SDK uses Visual C++, I have no
experience of C++ at all.
I think that Neil's site is mostly PHP based. Any server based scripting
PHP + Javascript on the client side. MySQL on the back end. You'll
need to reliably detect the clients public IP address, this is more
difficult than it looks, but you'll learn a lot about HTTP and the
internet infrastructure (hint : check for proxy servers between your
client and the web server)
tool could be used to do something similar ( ASP, ASP.Net, Cold Fusion,
Zope
,...). The only NetMeeting SDK interaction there as far as I know is with
the Activex component and Javascript( there is a section in the SDK on
doing
that ).
There are some custom server behaviours to ensure the callee is
available on the detected IP address, mostly to do with opening a
socket on port 1720 and looking for a connection response. Fresh-Toast
also does profiling of client software based on known port matches.
Do you have any recommendations about the programming language - I do
have some experience with Visual Basic.
VBScript on ASP would do most of the SQL stuff, but you would probably
be stuck needing to download any number of activeX components to IIS
in order to do any network checks.
Cheers - Neil.
========================================================
CaptionKit http://www.captionkit.com : Produce subtitled
internet media, transcripts and searchable video. Supports
Real Player, Quicktime and Windows Media Player.
VideoChat with friends online, get Freshly Toasted every
day at http://www.fresh-toast.net : NetMeeting solutions
for a connected world. |
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital M
Guest
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Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:50 am Post subject:
Re: developing a netmeeting application |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:47:10 -0000, "Suzanne"
<suzanne.murray@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks,
The deadline for my project (including a report) is the end of March
|
Then you'd better get started !
| Quote: | What do you think could be realistically produced by then?
|
A basic SQL users table with registration of name, email etc,
HTML+CSS, login and logout pages, page (or frame / iframe) refresh
logic, callto handlers and an embedded netmeeting ActiveX. Probably
some javascript to tidy it up. A few graphics (hint : do those last)
Go for Netmeeting embedded in full mode rather than splitting the Data
and video windows like I did - it introduces some interesting but
tricky browser manipulations which you probably won't know about if
you are used to ASP and VB... ;-)
Cheers - Neil.
| Quote: |
Suzanne
"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:40310fbc.1370300@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:51:55 -0500, "Brian Sullivan MVP"
brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote:
I was hoping you could provide me some more information on how to
start developing this.
I noticed that the Netmeeting SDK uses Visual C++, I have no
experience of C++ at all.
I think that Neil's site is mostly PHP based. Any server based scripting
PHP + Javascript on the client side. MySQL on the back end. You'll
need to reliably detect the clients public IP address, this is more
difficult than it looks, but you'll learn a lot about HTTP and the
internet infrastructure (hint : check for proxy servers between your
client and the web server)
tool could be used to do something similar ( ASP, ASP.Net, Cold Fusion,
Zope
,...). The only NetMeeting SDK interaction there as far as I know is with
the Activex component and Javascript( there is a section in the SDK on
doing
that ).
There are some custom server behaviours to ensure the callee is
available on the detected IP address, mostly to do with opening a
socket on port 1720 and looking for a connection response. Fresh-Toast
also does profiling of client software based on known port matches.
Do you have any recommendations about the programming language - I do
have some experience with Visual Basic.
VBScript on ASP would do most of the SQL stuff, but you would probably
be stuck needing to download any number of activeX components to IIS
in order to do any network checks.
Cheers - Neil.
========================================================
CaptionKit http://www.captionkit.com : Produce subtitled
internet media, transcripts and searchable video. Supports
Real Player, Quicktime and Windows Media Player.
VideoChat with friends online, get Freshly Toasted every
day at http://www.fresh-toast.net : NetMeeting solutions
for a connected world.
|
========================================================
CaptionKit http://www.captionkit.com : Produce subtitled
internet media, transcripts and searchable video. Supports
Real Player, Quicktime and Windows Media Player.
VideoChat with friends online, get Freshly Toasted every
day at http://www.fresh-toast.net : NetMeeting solutions
for a connected world. |
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Suzanne
Guest
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Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:11 pm Post subject:
Re: developing a netmeeting application |
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Thanks for the suggestion.
I talked to my project supervisor today and he said that he didnt think the
users would be interested in a system that they had to sign into.
They would rather attempt to make the conference call without knowing if the
other user was available.
Then the other user would receive a message informing them of the conference
attempt and then decide whether to proceed or reject the call
Neither user would be logged on
Is this approach possible?
Suzanne
"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:40326fdf.1068646@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| Quote: | On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:47:10 -0000, "Suzanne"
suzanne.murray@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks,
The deadline for my project (including a report) is the end of March
Then you'd better get started !
What do you think could be realistically produced by then?
A basic SQL users table with registration of name, email etc,
HTML+CSS, login and logout pages, page (or frame / iframe) refresh
logic, callto handlers and an embedded netmeeting ActiveX. Probably
some javascript to tidy it up. A few graphics (hint : do those last)
Go for Netmeeting embedded in full mode rather than splitting the Data
and video windows like I did - it introduces some interesting but
tricky browser manipulations which you probably won't know about if
you are used to ASP and VB... ;-)
Cheers - Neil.
Suzanne
"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:40310fbc.1370300@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:51:55 -0500, "Brian Sullivan MVP"
brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote:
I was hoping you could provide me some more information on how to
start developing this.
I noticed that the Netmeeting SDK uses Visual C++, I have no
experience of C++ at all.
I think that Neil's site is mostly PHP based. Any server based
scripting
PHP + Javascript on the client side. MySQL on the back end. You'll
need to reliably detect the clients public IP address, this is more
difficult than it looks, but you'll learn a lot about HTTP and the
internet infrastructure (hint : check for proxy servers between your
client and the web server)
tool could be used to do something similar ( ASP, ASP.Net, Cold
Fusion,
Zope
,...). The only NetMeeting SDK interaction there as far as I know is
with
the Activex component and Javascript( there is a section in the SDK on
doing
that ).
There are some custom server behaviours to ensure the callee is
available on the detected IP address, mostly to do with opening a
socket on port 1720 and looking for a connection response. Fresh-Toast
also does profiling of client software based on known port matches.
Do you have any recommendations about the programming language - I
do
have some experience with Visual Basic.
VBScript on ASP would do most of the SQL stuff, but you would probably
be stuck needing to download any number of activeX components to IIS
in order to do any network checks.
Cheers - Neil.
========================================================
CaptionKit http://www.captionkit.com : Produce subtitled
internet media, transcripts and searchable video. Supports
Real Player, Quicktime and Windows Media Player.
VideoChat with friends online, get Freshly Toasted every
day at http://www.fresh-toast.net : NetMeeting solutions
for a connected world.
========================================================
CaptionKit http://www.captionkit.com : Produce subtitled
internet media, transcripts and searchable video. Supports
Real Player, Quicktime and Windows Media Player.
VideoChat with friends online, get Freshly Toasted every
day at http://www.fresh-toast.net : NetMeeting solutions
for a connected world. |
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital M
Guest
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| Posted:
Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:58 pm Post subject:
Re: developing a netmeeting application |
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:11:46 -0000, "Suzanne"
<suzanne.murray@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for the suggestion.
I talked to my project supervisor today and he said that he didnt think the
users would be interested in a system that they had to sign into.
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3500 people have signed in to fresh-toast, using 18000 unique login
attempts. I guess though that since they don't hang around long if
there's nobody online it must be because they see there's nobody to
call right know, rather than frustratedly clicking name after name and
getting no response or worse 'is not accepting calls'.
| Quote: | They would rather attempt to make the conference call without knowing if the
other user was available.
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Uh, ok....
| Quote: | Then the other user would receive a message informing them of the conference
attempt and then decide whether to proceed or reject the call
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If they're at their desk, right ? .....
| Quote: | Neither user would be logged on
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I don't see how you identify users without them providing login
information .... so how do you know who you're gonna call
("Ghostbusters LOL")
| Quote: | Is this approach possible?
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I figure get it working 1st, then get an A+ star and clap on the back
for having a much fuller project delivery than was requested. Can't do
any harm.
| Quote: | "Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:40326fdf.1068646@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:47:10 -0000, "Suzanne"
suzanne.murray@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks,
The deadline for my project (including a report) is the end of March
Then you'd better get started !
What do you think could be realistically produced by then?
A basic SQL users table with registration of name, email etc,
HTML+CSS, login and logout pages, page (or frame / iframe) refresh
logic, callto handlers and an embedded netmeeting ActiveX. Probably
some javascript to tidy it up. A few graphics (hint : do those last)
Go for Netmeeting embedded in full mode rather than splitting the Data
and video windows like I did - it introduces some interesting but
tricky browser manipulations which you probably won't know about if
you are used to ASP and VB... ;-)
Cheers - Neil.
Suzanne
"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:40310fbc.1370300@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:51:55 -0500, "Brian Sullivan MVP"
brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote:
I was hoping you could provide me some more information on how to
start developing this.
I noticed that the Netmeeting SDK uses Visual C++, I have no
experience of C++ at all.
I think that Neil's site is mostly PHP based. Any server based
scripting
PHP + Javascript on the client side. MySQL on the back end. You'll
need to reliably detect the clients public IP address, this is more
difficult than it looks, but you'll learn a lot about HTTP and the
internet infrastructure (hint : check for proxy servers between your
client and the web server)
tool could be used to do something similar ( ASP, ASP.Net, Cold
Fusion,
Zope
,...). The only NetMeeting SDK interaction there as far as I know is
with
the Activex component and Javascript( there is a section in the SDK on
doing
that ).
There are some custom server behaviours to ensure the callee is
available on the detected IP address, mostly to do with opening a
socket on port 1720 and looking for a connection response. Fresh-Toast
also does profiling of client software based on known port matches.
Do you have any recommendations about the programming language - I
do
have some experience with Visual Basic.
VBScript on ASP would do most of the SQL stuff, but you would probably
be stuck needing to download any number of activeX components to IIS
in order to do any network checks.
Cheers - Neil.
========================================================
CaptionKit http://www.captionkit.com : Produce subtitled
internet media, transcripts and searchable video. Supports
Real Player, Quicktime and Windows Media Player.
VideoChat with friends online, get Freshly Toasted every
day at http://www.fresh-toast.net : NetMeeting solutions
for a connected world.
========================================================
CaptionKit http://www.captionkit.com : Produce subtitled
internet media, transcripts and searchable video. Supports
Real Player, Quicktime and Windows Media Player.
VideoChat with friends online, get Freshly Toasted every
day at http://www.fresh-toast.net : NetMeeting solutions
for a connected world.
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CaptionKit http://www.captionkit.com : Produce subtitled
internet media, transcripts and searchable video. Supports
Real Player, Quicktime and Windows Media Player.
VideoChat with friends online, get Freshly Toasted every
day at http://www.fresh-toast.net : NetMeeting solutions
for a connected world. |
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