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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:20 am    Post subject: First office install, looking for suggestions and suppliers Reply with quote

Hello all,

After looking at a few quotes from $5000-$6500 for the installation of
42 jacks in a very "rough" space, I've started considering doing this
myself. I've got 10 years in systems admin in small shops where I
already tend to do just about everything (which in the past has
included dealing with punchdown blocks for telco stuff, making cables,
adding jacks, etc.). After talking to a few people that have done
cable installation in the past, I'm pretty confident I can handle this.

The 42 jacks will all go back to a patch panel in a small co-lo room in
the office. While there are 42 jacks, there will only be drops at 12
locations in the office (a mix of 2/4/6/8 outlet jacks). This is your
typical downtown NYC old office space. Bare ceiling, and when
finished, conduit for power remains exposed on the outside walls. No
jacks for power or ethernet inside any walls, all surface mount.
Office is about 50' x 70', and I will have access after the
electricians, but before any office partitions go up. The quotes
mentioned above are what I call a "typical" NYC wiring job - ethernet
strapped with tie wraps to electrical conduit. Every station I need
to hit follows the path of conduit. Running the actual cable in this
manner is something I can handle I think, since there's not really much
to this type of install (besides time).

We have such a high number of jacks/person since we need a minimum of
two (phone + computer, later VoIP phone + computer) and the
support/tech guys quite often need to get a POTS, DSL, T1, or ethernet
(on another vlan) line patched out to them, and that's a total mess at
our current place. So I figure overkill now should be adequate in 5
years. :)

So now, the specific questions:

-What do you think of this "tie wrap to electrical conduit" install?
Seems hokey, but every downtown office in an old building like this
seems to have it done this way, and that's what two installers quoted
us?
-When following conduit, what's the proper way to "go around" junction
boxes and outlets?
-With tie wraps, what's the recommended spacing to keep things in
place?
-Surface mount outlets that can have 2-8 jacks on them... Who makes
this stuff? Where to buy?
-Hints on pulling 6 or more cables at once?
-66 vs. 110 blocks - no idea, I want to mount a block where all the
telco stuff comes in and patch it out to a 12 or 24 port patch panel,
which type of block do I want for that?

We need tools. I've never worked in a place with so few tools.
Recommendations for decent brands/models are very much appreciated. I
think minimally I'll need:

-decent crimper
-jacket stripper (correct name is?? for dressing the ends of the cable
prior to punchdown)
-cat & mouse to tone things out if we get confused
-punchdown tool (anything special in working with keystones and patch
panels? We'll also have a small block for telco stuff - see 66 vs. 110
issue above)
-is there a punchdown tool that hits all wires at once on a keystone or
patch panel? Good or not?
-suggestions on anything else?

I'm also trying to find a good online supplier where I can get my cable
(about 6500' white cat5e, non-plenum, solid), tools, and jacks. Google
finds a ton, but doesn't tell me if they are reputable. :)

My plan goes roughly like this..

-work from the co-lo room out
-put a few very loose tie wraps along the three ceiling conduit runs
I'll follow to the outer walls
-pull cable for each jack, verify length, etc.
-add more wraps, tighten from co-lo on out
-work my way down to each office
-trim to desired length (you betcha I'm leaving slack!)
-mount jacks
-punch down

Lastly, any insight that you folks that have been doing this for some
time is appreciated. I've got ideas, but I don't want to make the same
mistakes that everyone makes on their first job of this size.

Thanks!

Charles
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Perkowski
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: First office install, looking for suggestions and suppli Reply with quote

spork.sporkman@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Hello all,

After looking at a few quotes from $5000-$6500 for the installation of
42 jacks in a very "rough" space, I've started considering doing this
myself. I've got 10 years in systems admin in small shops where I
already tend to do just about everything (which in the past has
included dealing with punchdown blocks for telco stuff, making cables,
adding jacks, etc.). After talking to a few people that have done
cable installation in the past, I'm pretty confident I can handle this.

The 42 jacks will all go back to a patch panel in a small co-lo room in
the office. While there are 42 jacks, there will only be drops at 12
locations in the office (a mix of 2/4/6/8 outlet jacks). This is your
typical downtown NYC old office space. Bare ceiling, and when
finished, conduit for power remains exposed on the outside walls. No
jacks for power or ethernet inside any walls, all surface mount.
Office is about 50' x 70', and I will have access after the
electricians, but before any office partitions go up. The quotes
mentioned above are what I call a "typical" NYC wiring job - ethernet
strapped with tie wraps to electrical conduit. Every station I need
to hit follows the path of conduit. Running the actual cable in this
manner is something I can handle I think, since there's not really much
to this type of install (besides time).

We have such a high number of jacks/person since we need a minimum of
two (phone + computer, later VoIP phone + computer) and the
support/tech guys quite often need to get a POTS, DSL, T1, or ethernet
(on another vlan) line patched out to them, and that's a total mess at
our current place. So I figure overkill now should be adequate in 5
years. :)

So now, the specific questions:

-What do you think of this "tie wrap to electrical conduit" install?
Seems hokey, but every downtown office in an old building like this
seems to have it done this way, and that's what two installers quoted
us?

Do yourself a favor and buy Panduit and install the cable into it.
Trust me its worth it.


Quote:
-Surface mount outlets that can have 2-8 jacks on them... Who makes
this stuff? Where to buy?

Im on Long Island. I use Accu-Tech on Long Island. Talk to Ewan, he
gives good pricing. They are a wholesaler of Datacom/Telco stuff. They
have everything you'll need.

New York Metro, NY
200 Robbins Lane, Unit C, WH #33
Jericho, NY 11753
Toll Free: (800) 880-9517
Local: (516) 433-3175
Fax: (516) 433-3671



Quote:
-Hints on pulling 6 or more cables at once?

If you walkoff each of the lengths, you can pull the whole group of 42
at once. Make sure you measure correctly.

Quote:
-66 vs. 110 blocks - no idea, I want to mount a block where all the
telco stuff comes in and patch it out to a 12 or 24 port patch panel,
which type of block do I want for that?

You can use 110 blocks for both voice and data if you want.


Quote:
We need tools. I've never worked in a place with so few tools.
Recommendations for decent brands/models are very much appreciated. I
think minimally I'll need:

-decent crimper

Dont need a crimper. buy patch cords dont make them

Quote:
-jacket stripper (correct name is?? for dressing the ends of the cable
prior to punchdown)
-cat & mouse to tone things out if we get confused
-punchdown tool (anything special in working with keystones and patch
panels? We'll also have a small block for telco stuff - see 66 vs. 110
issue above)

HArris Punchdown tool w/66 and 110 blades

Quote:
-is there a punchdown tool that hits all wires at once on a keystone or
patch panel? Good or not?

Yes, but Id just get the regular punchdown tool.


Quote:
-suggestions on anything else?

I'm also trying to find a good online supplier where I can get my cable
(about 6500' white cat5e, non-plenum, solid), tools, and jacks. Google
finds a ton, but doesn't tell me if they are reputable. :)

My plan goes roughly like this..

-work from the co-lo room out
-put a few very loose tie wraps along the three ceiling conduit runs
I'll follow to the outer walls
-pull cable for each jack, verify length, etc.
-add more wraps, tighten from co-lo on out
-work my way down to each office
-trim to desired length (you betcha I'm leaving slack!)
-mount jacks
-punch down

Lastly, any insight that you folks that have been doing this for some
time is appreciated. I've got ideas, but I don't want to make the same
mistakes that everyone makes on their first job of this size.

If you get 2-3 guys to help, you can do it in 1 day (2 the most).

Later

Joe Perkowski

Quote:
Thanks!

Charles
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Robert Redelmeier
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: First office install, looking for suggestions and suppli Reply with quote

spork.sporkman@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
After looking at a few quotes from $5000-$6500 for
the installation of 42 jacks in a very "rough" space,

$119-155/drop doesn't sound outrageous for NYC.

Quote:
making cables, adding jacks, etc.). After talking to a
few people that have done cable installation in the past,
I'm pretty confident I can handle this.

Do you prefer wiring 568A or 568B?

Quote:
The quotes mentioned above are what I call a "typical" NYC wiring
job - ethernet strapped with tie wraps to electrical conduit.

Does this meet FDNY code?

Quote:
So I figure overkill now should be adequate in 5 years. :)

This is usually good planning. We ran 4 to every IO.

Quote:
So now, the specific questions:

-With tie wraps, what's the recommended spacing to keep things in place?

Zero. Tie-wraps aren't good for HF cable. Especially not tight.

Quote:
-Hints on pulling 6 or more cables at once?

Multiple boxes / reel rack PLUS an assistant to keep'em flowing.

Quote:
-66 vs. 110 blocks - no idea, I want to mount a block where
all the telco stuff comes in and patch it out to a 12 or
24 port patch panel, which type of block do I want for that?

Typically 110, although Siemon makes a Cat5e 66.

Quote:
-decent crimper

Why? You aren't planning on making patchcords, are you?
It's hard on the hands and are you sure you know enough?

Quote:
-is there a punchdown tool that hits all wires at once on
a keystone or patch panel? Good or not?

There is a big slammer for 5pr 110.

Quote:
get my cable (about 6500' white cat5e, non-plenum, solid),

Are you sure Fire codes allow non-plenum?

-- Robert
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johnr999@aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:20 am    Post subject: Re: First office install, looking for suggestions and suppli Reply with quote

spork.sporkman@gmail.com wrote,in part:
Quote:
I'm also trying to find a good online supplier where I can get my cable
(about 6500' white cat5e, non-plenum, solid), tools, and jacks. Google
finds a ton, but doesn't tell me if they are reputable. :)

You might want to check out www.netcablesplus.com. I have a friend who
has used them several times for good quality, yet very inexpensive
cables, tools, etc. Not name brand stuff, but they work well.

Good luck with the project!
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: First office install, looking for suggestions and suppli Reply with quote

Robert Redelmeier wrote:
Quote:
spork.sporkman@gmail.com wrote:
After looking at a few quotes from $5000-$6500 for
the installation of 42 jacks in a very "rough" space,

$119-155/drop doesn't sound outrageous for NYC.

Assuming a supply cost of $1500 or so, that means $4000-$5000 in
labor...

Quote:
making cables, adding jacks, etc.). After talking to a
few people that have done cable installation in the past,
I'm pretty confident I can handle this.

Do you prefer wiring 568A or 568B?

Got me, but I guess I should google that? I was just going to punch
everything down in the same color code that I always use when making
patch cables.

Quote:
The quotes mentioned above are what I call a "typical" NYC wiring
job - ethernet strapped with tie wraps to electrical conduit.

Does this meet FDNY code?

Honestly, I don't know, nor do I care. If they were to enforce that,
every class B and class C building in NYC would be shut down.
Seriously, I've seen a ton of office space downtown, and it's just not
like office space you find in other parts of the country. It's
unusually "raw" with power conduit and most all other wiring exposed.
Considering both quotes wanted to work it this way (and with
non-plenum), I'm quite comfortable with this.

Quote:
So I figure overkill now should be adequate in 5 years. :)

This is usually good planning. We ran 4 to every IO.

I just made a spreadsheet to demonstrate to management that the cost of
2 vs. 4 in our situation is minimal. I really wish I wasn't fighting
that fight...

Quote:
So now, the specific questions:

-With tie wraps, what's the recommended spacing to keep things in place?

Zero. Tie-wraps aren't good for HF cable. Especially not tight.

I'll keep them fairly loose and closely spaced then.

Quote:
-Hints on pulling 6 or more cables at once?

Multiple boxes / reel rack PLUS an assistant to keep'em flowing.

Check and check!

Quote:
-66 vs. 110 blocks - no idea, I want to mount a block where
all the telco stuff comes in and patch it out to a 12 or
24 port patch panel, which type of block do I want for that?

Typically 110, although Siemon makes a Cat5e 66.

OK, is 110 also the most common punchdown that I'll be finding on the
patch panels and the keystones?

Quote:
-decent crimper

Why? You aren't planning on making patchcords, are you?
It's hard on the hands and are you sure you know enough?

We simply don't have one, and in the course of business I know that
someone's going to want a 16 1/2 foot crossover cable or some other
wacky thing and I refuse to pay $30 at RatShack for that.

Quote:
-is there a punchdown tool that hits all wires at once on
a keystone or patch panel? Good or not?

There is a big slammer for 5pr 110.

In general, single or double, any recommendations as far as brand?
I've got up to $100 on this.

Quote:
get my cable (about 6500' white cat5e, non-plenum, solid),

Are you sure Fire codes allow non-plenum?

See above... None of this is going in air ducts, inside conduit,
inside walls, or in a drop ceiling.

Thanks much!

Still looking for more supplier suggestions, and really looking for
recommendations on a tool to strip the outer jacket off quickly and
easily. I really hate the ones that are on the crimpers - too easy to
bite into the cable.

Also, is there a keystone that is actually meant to take either an
RJ-45 or an RJ-11? The ones I've found around the office will do that,
but if I order 50 or so, I want to make sure I'm asking for the right
thing.

Lastly, any particular favorites for surface-mount jacks? I see
Leviton, Hubbell and off-brand generic stuff and it all looks fairly
similar; just a small plastic box you screw to the wall and pop a bunch
of keystone jacks in.

Thanks again, all!

Charles

> -- Robert
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Al Dykes
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: First office install, looking for suggestions and suppli Reply with quote

In article <1122602594.483071.225450@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<spork.sporkman@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:

Robert Redelmeier wrote:
spork.sporkman@gmail.com wrote:
After looking at a few quotes from $5000-$6500 for
the installation of 42 jacks in a very "rough" space,

$119-155/drop doesn't sound outrageous for NYC.

Assuming a supply cost of $1500 or so, that means $4000-$5000 in
labor...

making cables, adding jacks, etc.). After talking to a
few people that have done cable installation in the past,
I'm pretty confident I can handle this.

Do you prefer wiring 568A or 568B?

Got me, but I guess I should google that? I was just going to punch
everything down in the same color code that I always use when making
patch cables.

The quotes mentioned above are what I call a "typical" NYC wiring
job - ethernet strapped with tie wraps to electrical conduit.

Does this meet FDNY code?

Honestly, I don't know, nor do I care. If they were to enforce that,
every class B and class C building in NYC would be shut down.
Seriously, I've seen a ton of office space downtown, and it's just not


It doesn't matter what other people do. You're the one that get in
trouble with the insurance company or FDNY.

Use plenum cable. I'm in NYC and the suppliers I deal with don't even
stock non-plenum solid cable.




Quote:
like office space you find in other parts of the country. It's
unusually "raw" with power conduit and most all other wiring exposed.
Considering both quotes wanted to work it this way (and with
non-plenum), I'm quite comfortable with this.

So I figure overkill now should be adequate in 5 years. :)

This is usually good planning. We ran 4 to every IO.

I just made a spreadsheet to demonstrate to management that the cost of
2 vs. 4 in our situation is minimal. I really wish I wasn't fighting
that fight...

So now, the specific questions:

-With tie wraps, what's the recommended spacing to keep things in place?

Zero. Tie-wraps aren't good for HF cable. Especially not tight.

I'll keep them fairly loose and closely spaced then.

-Hints on pulling 6 or more cables at once?

Multiple boxes / reel rack PLUS an assistant to keep'em flowing.

Check and check!

-66 vs. 110 blocks - no idea, I want to mount a block where
all the telco stuff comes in and patch it out to a 12 or
24 port patch panel, which type of block do I want for that?

Typically 110, although Siemon makes a Cat5e 66.

OK, is 110 also the most common punchdown that I'll be finding on the
patch panels and the keystones?

-decent crimper

Why? You aren't planning on making patchcords, are you?
It's hard on the hands and are you sure you know enough?

We simply don't have one, and in the course of business I know that
someone's going to want a 16 1/2 foot crossover cable or some other
wacky thing and I refuse to pay $30 at RatShack for that.

-is there a punchdown tool that hits all wires at once on
a keystone or patch panel? Good or not?

There is a big slammer for 5pr 110.

In general, single or double, any recommendations as far as brand?
I've got up to $100 on this.

get my cable (about 6500' white cat5e, non-plenum, solid),

Are you sure Fire codes allow non-plenum?

See above... None of this is going in air ducts, inside conduit,
inside walls, or in a drop ceiling.

Thanks much!

Still looking for more supplier suggestions, and really looking for
recommendations on a tool to strip the outer jacket off quickly and
easily. I really hate the ones that are on the crimpers - too easy to
bite into the cable.

Also, is there a keystone that is actually meant to take either an
RJ-45 or an RJ-11? The ones I've found around the office will do that,
but if I order 50 or so, I want to make sure I'm asking for the right
thing.

Lastly, any particular favorites for surface-mount jacks? I see
Leviton, Hubbell and off-brand generic stuff and it all looks fairly
similar; just a small plastic box you screw to the wall and pop a bunch
of keystone jacks in.

Thanks again, all!

Charles

-- Robert



--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m

Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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Robert Redelmeier
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: First office install, looking for suggestions and suppli Reply with quote

spork.sporkman@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Assuming a supply cost of $1500 or so, that means $4000-$5000
in labor...

I think the material cost is considerably higher with plenum.

Quote:
I was just going to punch everything down in the same color
code that I always use when making patch cables.

And prey tell, what order might that be?

Quote:
Honestly, I don't know, nor do I care. If they were to

Your bosses' might. Or perhaps the owners should.
Fire code violations can void a Certificate of Occupancy.

Quote:
OK, is 110 also the most common punchdown that I'll be
finding on the patch panels and the keystones?

Yes, definitely.

Quote:
We simply don't have one, and in the course of business I
know that someone's going to want a 16 1/2 foot crossover
cable or some other wacky thing and I refuse to pay $30 at
RatShack for that.

So find a better supplier on the net. Making good patchcords
requires lots of knowledge. crimpling plugs on solid is
very temporary and prone to intermittants.

Quote:
In general, single or double, any recommendations as far
as brand? I've got up to $100 on this.

A good single will run close to that. Harris.

Quote:
Are you sure Fire codes allow non-plenum?
See above... None of this is going in air ducts, inside
conduit, inside walls, or in a drop ceiling.

So? Many codes now require plenum everywhere.

Quote:
looking for recommendations on a tool to strip the outer
jacket off quickly and easily. I really hate the ones that
are on the crimpers - too easy to bite into the cable.

Look for a plastic rotating tool with a small embedded razor.

Quote:
Also, is there a keystone that is actually meant to take
either an RJ-45 or an RJ-11? The ones I've found around
the office will do that, but if I order 50 or so, I want
to make sure I'm asking for the right thing.

All RJ45 jacks will take an RJ11, but might squash the outer
(important) pins a bit. Don't.

-- Robert
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Perkowski
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: First office install, looking for suggestions and suppli Reply with quote

spork.sporkman@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Robert Redelmeier wrote:

spork.sporkman@gmail.com wrote:

After looking at a few quotes from $5000-$6500 for
the installation of 42 jacks in a very "rough" space,

$119-155/drop doesn't sound outrageous for NYC.


Assuming a supply cost of $1500 or so, that means $4000-$5000 in
labor...


making cables, adding jacks, etc.). After talking to a
few people that have done cable installation in the past,
I'm pretty confident I can handle this.

Do you prefer wiring 568A or 568B?


Got me, but I guess I should google that? I was just going to punch
everything down in the same color code that I always use when making
patch cables.


The quotes mentioned above are what I call a "typical" NYC wiring
job - ethernet strapped with tie wraps to electrical conduit.

Does this meet FDNY code?


Honestly, I don't know, nor do I care. If they were to enforce that,
every class B and class C building in NYC would be shut down.
Seriously, I've seen a ton of office space downtown, and it's just not
like office space you find in other parts of the country. It's
unusually "raw" with power conduit and most all other wiring exposed.
Considering both quotes wanted to work it this way (and with
non-plenum), I'm quite comfortable with this.


So I figure overkill now should be adequate in 5 years. :)

This is usually good planning. We ran 4 to every IO.


I just made a spreadsheet to demonstrate to management that the cost of
2 vs. 4 in our situation is minimal. I really wish I wasn't fighting
that fight...


So now, the specific questions:

-With tie wraps, what's the recommended spacing to keep things in place?

Zero. Tie-wraps aren't good for HF cable. Especially not tight.


I'll keep them fairly loose and closely spaced then.


-Hints on pulling 6 or more cables at once?

Multiple boxes / reel rack PLUS an assistant to keep'em flowing.


Check and check!


-66 vs. 110 blocks - no idea, I want to mount a block where
all the telco stuff comes in and patch it out to a 12 or
24 port patch panel, which type of block do I want for that?

Typically 110, although Siemon makes a Cat5e 66.


OK, is 110 also the most common punchdown that I'll be finding on the
patch panels and the keystones?


-decent crimper

Why? You aren't planning on making patchcords, are you?
It's hard on the hands and are you sure you know enough?


We simply don't have one, and in the course of business I know that
someone's going to want a 16 1/2 foot crossover cable or some other
wacky thing and I refuse to pay $30 at RatShack for that.


-is there a punchdown tool that hits all wires at once on
a keystone or patch panel? Good or not?

There is a big slammer for 5pr 110.


In general, single or double, any recommendations as far as brand?
I've got up to $100 on this.


get my cable (about 6500' white cat5e, non-plenum, solid),

Are you sure Fire codes allow non-plenum?


See above... None of this is going in air ducts, inside conduit,
inside walls, or in a drop ceiling.

Thanks much!

Still looking for more supplier suggestions, and really looking for
recommendations on a tool to strip the outer jacket off quickly and
easily. I really hate the ones that are on the crimpers - too easy to
bite into the cable.

Also, is there a keystone that is actually meant to take either an
RJ-45 or an RJ-11? The ones I've found around the office will do that,
but if I order 50 or so, I want to make sure I'm asking for the right
thing.

Lastly, any particular favorites for surface-mount jacks? I see
Leviton, Hubbell and off-brand generic stuff and it all looks fairly
similar; just a small plastic box you screw to the wall and pop a bunch
of keystone jacks in.

Thanks again, all!

Charles


-- Robert


I already told ya Accu-Tech on Long Island or Graybar in Long Island

City under the 59th street bridge.

Seriously though, it sounds like you are gonna rig it all together when
it only take a bit more to make it nice installation. But, do what you
want....

Perkowski
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: First office install, looking for suggestions and suppli Reply with quote

Perkowski wrote:

Quote:
spork.sporkman@gmail.com wrote:

Robert Redelmeier wrote:

spork.sporkman@gmail.com wrote:

After looking at a few quotes from $5000-$6500 for
the installation of 42 jacks in a very "rough" space,


$119-155/drop doesn't sound outrageous for NYC.



Assuming a supply cost of $1500 or so, that means $4000-$5000 in
labor...


making cables, adding jacks, etc.). After talking to a
few people that have done cable installation in the past,
I'm pretty confident I can handle this.


Do you prefer wiring 568A or 568B?



Got me, but I guess I should google that? I was just going to punch
everything down in the same color code that I always use when making
patch cables.


The quotes mentioned above are what I call a "typical" NYC wiring
job - ethernet strapped with tie wraps to electrical conduit.


Does this meet FDNY code?



Honestly, I don't know, nor do I care. If they were to enforce that,
every class B and class C building in NYC would be shut down.
Seriously, I've seen a ton of office space downtown, and it's just not
like office space you find in other parts of the country. It's
unusually "raw" with power conduit and most all other wiring exposed.
Considering both quotes wanted to work it this way (and with
non-plenum), I'm quite comfortable with this.


So I figure overkill now should be adequate in 5 years. :)


This is usually good planning. We ran 4 to every IO.



I just made a spreadsheet to demonstrate to management that the cost of
2 vs. 4 in our situation is minimal. I really wish I wasn't fighting
that fight...


So now, the specific questions:


-With tie wraps, what's the recommended spacing to keep things in
place?


Zero. Tie-wraps aren't good for HF cable. Especially not tight.



I'll keep them fairly loose and closely spaced then.


-Hints on pulling 6 or more cables at once?


Multiple boxes / reel rack PLUS an assistant to keep'em flowing.



Check and check!


-66 vs. 110 blocks - no idea, I want to mount a block where
all the telco stuff comes in and patch it out to a 12 or
24 port patch panel, which type of block do I want for that?


Typically 110, although Siemon makes a Cat5e 66.



OK, is 110 also the most common punchdown that I'll be finding on the
patch panels and the keystones?


-decent crimper


Why? You aren't planning on making patchcords, are you?
It's hard on the hands and are you sure you know enough?



We simply don't have one, and in the course of business I know that
someone's going to want a 16 1/2 foot crossover cable or some other
wacky thing and I refuse to pay $30 at RatShack for that.


-is there a punchdown tool that hits all wires at once on
a keystone or patch panel? Good or not?


There is a big slammer for 5pr 110.



In general, single or double, any recommendations as far as brand?
I've got up to $100 on this.


get my cable (about 6500' white cat5e, non-plenum, solid),


Are you sure Fire codes allow non-plenum?



See above... None of this is going in air ducts, inside conduit,
inside walls, or in a drop ceiling.

Thanks much!

Still looking for more supplier suggestions, and really looking for
recommendations on a tool to strip the outer jacket off quickly and
easily. I really hate the ones that are on the crimpers - too easy to
bite into the cable.

Also, is there a keystone that is actually meant to take either an
RJ-45 or an RJ-11? The ones I've found around the office will do that,
but if I order 50 or so, I want to make sure I'm asking for the right
thing.

Lastly, any particular favorites for surface-mount jacks? I see
Leviton, Hubbell and off-brand generic stuff and it all looks fairly
similar; just a small plastic box you screw to the wall and pop a bunch
of keystone jacks in.
Thanks again, all!

Charles


-- Robert



I already told ya Accu-Tech on Long Island or Graybar in Long Island
City under the 59th street bridge.

Seriously though, it sounds like you are gonna rig it all together when
it only take a bit more to make it nice installation. But, do what you
want....

Perkowski
Meant for spork spork
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: First office install, looking for suggestions and suppli Reply with quote

Robert Redelmeier <redelm@ev1.net.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
spork.sporkman@gmail.com wrote:

Also, is there a keystone that is actually meant to take
either an RJ-45 or an RJ-11? The ones I've found around
the office will do that, but if I order 50 or so, I want
to make sure I'm asking for the right thing.

All RJ45 jacks will take an RJ11, but might squash the outer
(important) pins a bit. Don't.

Murphy's law says that doing this *will* damage the jacks if
you ever want to use them for anything else in future :)

--
Mark Evans
St. Peter's CofE Aided School
Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109
Fax: +44 1392 204763
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Justin
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:20 am    Post subject: Re: First office install, looking for suggestions and suppli Reply with quote

Mark Evans wrote:
Quote:
Robert Redelmeier <redelm@ev1.net.invalid> wrote:

spork.sporkman@gmail.com wrote:


Also, is there a keystone that is actually meant to take
either an RJ-45 or an RJ-11? The ones I've found around
the office will do that, but if I order 50 or so, I want
to make sure I'm asking for the right thing.


All RJ45 jacks will take an RJ11, but might squash the outer
(important) pins a bit. Don't.


Murphy's law says that doing this *will* damage the jacks if
you ever want to use them for anything else in future :)

I've several manufactures claim in their materials that their pin design

on their jacks has been specifically designed to eliminate this problem
(both Leviton and Panduit come to mind). As I've not had this problem
in quite some time (using Systimax, Leviton and Panduit) I would tend to
believe it.
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