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DSL_User
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Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
Can I get two DSL connections on SBC bound lines? |
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I have a residential bound line from SBC. What this means is I have a main
line, and then I have a "child" line that it bound to it for an extra like
$7/month or something like that. The numbers are sequential, though I don't
know if that matters. 999-555-1212 and 999-555-1213. I've always done this.
Even back when I only had one line running to the house, you could have to
phone numbers like this (you have to buy a splitter to split out the
signals into the two separate numbers if you're using single-line POTS
devices. This is not a normal two different phone lines running into the
premises. If I were to cancel the main line, the 2nd line would
automatically be cancelled. I also can't put services like voice mail, etc.
on it. I hope that's enough information about what it is. SBC doesn't
advertise it anywhere, but I've had it since the days of pre-divestiture,
then through Baby Bells, Ameritech, and now SBC.
Anyway, I have DSL on my child number (999-555-1213). Does anybody know if
I can also have DSL on my parent number at the same time? I currently have
DSL through EarthLink, but I'd like to add DSL from SBC to the main line.
They have a sale of $15/mo for 1.5 ADSL.
Thoughts? |
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Neil W Rickert
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Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Can I get two DSL connections on SBC bound lines? |
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DSL_User <dsl_user@earthlink.invalid> writes:
| Quote: | I have a residential bound line from SBC. What this means is I have a main
line, and then I have a "child" line that it bound to it for an extra like
$7/month or something like that. The numbers are sequential, though I don't
know if that matters. 999-555-1212 and 999-555-1213. I've always done this.
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I haven't come across this "child" line idea. Is it the same as
having two separate lines in a rotary group?
| Quote: | Anyway, I have DSL on my child number (999-555-1213). Does anybody know if
I can also have DSL on my parent number at the same time? I currently have
DSL through EarthLink, but I'd like to add DSL from SBC to the main line.
They have a sale of $15/mo for 1.5 ADSL.
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As long as you have two separate lines coming into the house, you should
be able to get DSL on both. Why not call SBC and ask? |
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GlowingBlueMist
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Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Can I get two DSL connections on SBC bound lines? |
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"DSL_User" <dsl_user@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:fssfc15t62fpuseilnci95o64fj26hc7o7@4ax.com...
| Quote: | I have a residential bound line from SBC. What this means is I have a main
line, and then I have a "child" line that it bound to it for an extra like
$7/month or something like that. The numbers are sequential, though I
don't
know if that matters. 999-555-1212 and 999-555-1213. I've always done
this.
Even back when I only had one line running to the house, you could have to
phone numbers like this (you have to buy a splitter to split out the
signals into the two separate numbers if you're using single-line POTS
devices. This is not a normal two different phone lines running into the
premises. If I were to cancel the main line, the 2nd line would
automatically be cancelled. I also can't put services like voice mail,
etc.
on it. I hope that's enough information about what it is. SBC doesn't
advertise it anywhere, but I've had it since the days of pre-divestiture,
then through Baby Bells, Ameritech, and now SBC.
Anyway, I have DSL on my child number (999-555-1213). Does anybody know if
I can also have DSL on my parent number at the same time? I currently have
DSL through EarthLink, but I'd like to add DSL from SBC to the main line.
They have a sale of $15/mo for 1.5 ADSL.
Thoughts?
For each DSL connection you need to have an individual pair of wires that |
goes to your servicing phone switch.
If you can make one outbound call and put down that phone, and then pick up
another telephone and make a second outbound call to a different number with
out disconnecting or "flashing" the first call then you can have two DSL
connections, one on each line.
If on the other hand both numbers ring to the same (regular single line
phone instrument) then you can only have one DSL connection. |
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David Lesher
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Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:36 pm Post subject:
Re: Can I get two DSL connections on SBC bound lines? |
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DSL_User <dsl_user@earthlink.invalid> writes:
| Quote: | I have a residential bound line from SBC. What this means is I have a main
line, and then I have a "child" line that it bound to it for an extra like
$7/month or something like that. The numbers are sequential, though I don't
know if that matters. 999-555-1212 and 999-555-1213.
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AKA "Ringmaster" -- 2 number assignments on one copper pair. NOT two
lines.
| Quote: | Anyway, I have DSL on my child number (999-555-1213). Does anybody know if
I can also have DSL on my parent number at the same time?
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You have one line. You can have one DSL circuit on it.
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James T. White
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Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Can I get two DSL connections on SBC bound lines? |
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"dsl_user" <dsl_user@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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From: David Lesher (Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:36:39 +0000 (UTC))
MsgId: <da9i8m$1dc$1@reader2.panix.com
DSL_User <dsl_user@earthlink.invalid> writes:
I have a residential bound line from SBC. What this means is
I have a main line, and then I have a "child" line that it
bound to it for an extra like $7/month or something like that.
The numbers are sequential, though I don't know if that matters.
999-555-1212 and 999-555-1213.
AKA "Ringmaster" -- 2 number assignments on one copper pair. NOT two
lines.
Thanks for the response.
Actually, I don't have a Ringmaster-type service. I hesitate to use the
term "line", but I really do have two different phone "lines" on one
twisted pair. I have to use a "Y" splitter (found at Radio Shack) to
separate out the lines. The splitter has 3 jacks and says "A" / "B" and
"A+B". If I don't use a Y splitter and just plug in a normal phone, I only
get one of the lines. If I use that Y splitter, I can plug in two phones
and they work completely separately from each other. If I plug in a 2-line
phone using one phone cord directly to the jack, the 2-line phone will
recognize both lines.
More information...
1) I can call line #1 from line #2. In 25 years of using this service, I've
never seen the two lines impact each other. They operate completely
independently.
2) I can have different long distance service on the two lines (got bitten
by that before.. I changed LD plans on the main line and thought it would
carry over to the child line, but it didn't. Most of my LD calling was on
the child line since that's where I have my modem and fax machine).
3) When I get my phone bill, I see no split out between the two lines for
local service. All I see for the 2nd number is a "line charge".
4) If I call SBC and ask them to disconnect line #1, line #2 automatically
goes away. If I disconnect line #2, line #1 stays (that's the "parent" line
in the "bound" relationship).
I could do this on pretty much any POTS setup. All I'd have to do is call
SBC (or any LEC for that matter) and explain to them what I want. They can
set it up without running any new wires inside.
I guess it boils down to my statement that you can have two phone lines on
one twisted pair. Hopefully someone out there knows what I'm describing.
Anyway, I have DSL on my child number (999-555-1213). Does anybody know if
I can also have DSL on my parent number at the same time?
You have one line. You can have one DSL circuit on it.
In light of the additional information I have provided above, is this still
your take?
Sounds like you have two lines, each running on a separate pair and have two |
separate POTS lines.
When you look into a normal RJ-11 phone jack, the red/green pair is connected to
the two pins in the middle and the yellow/black pair is connected to the two
outer pins. The Radio Shack splitter connects the center pair of the A+B port
to the center pair of the A port and the outer pair of the A+B port to the
center pair of the B port.
Sounds like there isn't any technical reason you shouldn't be able to get DSL on
both lines. The only way to know for sure though is to call SBC and place the
order. The order takers aren't very technically savvy, but are pretty good
about getting back to you if the technicians run into a problem getting you the
service.
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dsl_user
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Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Can I get two DSL connections on SBC bound lines? |
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| Quote: | From: David Lesher (Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:36:39 +0000 (UTC))
MsgId: <da9i8m$1dc$1@reader2.panix.com
DSL_User <dsl_user@earthlink.invalid> writes:
I have a residential bound line from SBC. What this means is
I have a main line, and then I have a "child" line that it
bound to it for an extra like $7/month or something like that.
The numbers are sequential, though I don't know if that matters.
999-555-1212 and 999-555-1213.
AKA "Ringmaster" -- 2 number assignments on one copper pair. NOT two
lines.
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Thanks for the response.
Actually, I don't have a Ringmaster-type service. I hesitate to use the
term "line", but I really do have two different phone "lines" on one
twisted pair. I have to use a "Y" splitter (found at Radio Shack) to
separate out the lines. The splitter has 3 jacks and says "A" / "B" and
"A+B". If I don't use a Y splitter and just plug in a normal phone, I only
get one of the lines. If I use that Y splitter, I can plug in two phones
and they work completely separately from each other. If I plug in a 2-line
phone using one phone cord directly to the jack, the 2-line phone will
recognize both lines.
More information...
1) I can call line #1 from line #2. In 25 years of using this service, I've
never seen the two lines impact each other. They operate completely
independently.
2) I can have different long distance service on the two lines (got bitten
by that before.. I changed LD plans on the main line and thought it would
carry over to the child line, but it didn't. Most of my LD calling was on
the child line since that's where I have my modem and fax machine).
3) When I get my phone bill, I see no split out between the two lines for
local service. All I see for the 2nd number is a "line charge".
4) If I call SBC and ask them to disconnect line #1, line #2 automatically
goes away. If I disconnect line #2, line #1 stays (that's the "parent" line
in the "bound" relationship).
I could do this on pretty much any POTS setup. All I'd have to do is call
SBC (or any LEC for that matter) and explain to them what I want. They can
set it up without running any new wires inside.
I guess it boils down to my statement that you can have two phone lines on
one twisted pair. Hopefully someone out there knows what I'm describing.
| Quote: | Anyway, I have DSL on my child number (999-555-1213). Does anybody know if
I can also have DSL on my parent number at the same time?
You have one line. You can have one DSL circuit on it.
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In light of the additional information I have provided above, is this still
your take? |
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dsl_user
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Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Can I get two DSL connections on SBC bound lines? |
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| Quote: | From: GlowingBlueMist (Sun, 3 Jul 2005 10:59:02 -0500)
MsgId: <42c80c2d$0$242$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net
"DSL_User" <dsl_user@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:fssfc15t62fpuseilnci95o64fj26hc7o7@4ax.com...
I have a residential bound line from SBC. What this means is I have
a main line, and then I have a "child" line that it bound to it for
an extra like $7/month or something like that. The numbers are
sequential, though I don't know if that matters. 999-555-1212 and
999-555-1213. I've always done this.
For each DSL connection you need to have an individual pair of wires that
goes to your servicing phone switch.
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Thanks for the response.
This statement may be telling me what I need to know. Even though I have
two phone "lines", I think both lines use one twisted pair.
| Quote: | If you can make one outbound call and put down that phone, and then pick up
another telephone and make a second outbound call to a different number with
out disconnecting or "flashing" the first call then you can have two DSL
connections, one on each line.
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This is where I get confused. Not only can I call a different number on
that 2nd line, but I can call the 1st line from the 2nd line.
| Quote: | If on the other hand both numbers ring to the same (regular single line
phone instrument) then you can only have one DSL connection.
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OK, let's exclude this situation as it doesn't apply. |
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dsl_user
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Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Can I get two DSL connections on SBC bound lines? |
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| Quote: | From: Neil W Rickert (Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:45:22 +0000 (UTC))
MsgId: <da8tm2$b29$1@usenet.cso.niu.edu
DSL_User <dsl_user@earthlink.invalid> writes:
I have a residential bound line from SBC. What this means is I have a main
line, and then I have a "child" line that it bound to it for an extra like
$7/month or something like that. The numbers are sequential, though I don't
know if that matters. 999-555-1212 and 999-555-1213. I've always done this.
I haven't come across this "child" line idea. Is it the same as
having two separate lines in a rotary group?
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Thank you for the response. I don't think it is the same thing.
| Quote: | Anyway, I have DSL on my child number (999-555-1213). Does anybody know if
I can also have DSL on my parent number at the same time? I currently have
DSL through EarthLink, but I'd like to add DSL from SBC to the main line.
They have a sale of $15/mo for 1.5 ADSL.
As long as you have two separate lines coming into the house, you should
be able to get DSL on both.
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I have 6 phone "lines" coming into the premises (a condo), but only 2 phone
.... "numbers". But I suspect even those two numbers only use one twisted
pair. I wish I knew the correct technical term but I've only had to set up
it 3 times in 30 years. It has _always_ required me to explain what I want
the way I'm doing now, and the only term I've ever heard was a "bound"
line.
| Quote: | Why not call SBC and ask?
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Just FYI, it isn't rampant laziness. I will call SBC again, but I've found
in the past that many at SBC don't even know what I'm talking about, at
least partially because *I* don't know how to explain it to them. I thought
if I could inform myself a bit before calling again, the conversation might
go a little better.
For instance, I had someone call and offer me a phone package (Voice Mail
+, 3 way calling, etc.) and I already had it on the parent line. I said
"Hey, if I can get that on my child line, that'd be great." The sales
person went on to say, "Oh, that'd be no problem," but as she tried to set
up the order, realized she couldn't do it. "Sorry, sir, I don't know what
the problem is." Well, I did. I think I have something that is kind of
becoming quite a rarity. I first got it when I set up a 300 bps modem at my
parent's house. Instead of getting a new line, the phone lady suggested I
just piggyback on my parent's line and get a splitter. It worked, was
cheap, and I've been doing it since. You can do it on any twisted pair. The
phone company does NOT have to run another line into the house. |
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dsl_user
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Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:20 am Post subject:
Re: Can I get two DSL connections on SBC bound lines? |
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| Quote: | From: James T. White (Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:41:02 -0500)
MsgId: <42caaa3c$0$2231$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org
Sounds like you have two lines, each running on a separate pair and have two
separate POTS lines.
When you look into a normal RJ-11 phone jack, the red/green pair is connected to
the two pins in the middle and the yellow/black pair is connected to the two
outer pins. The Radio Shack splitter connects the center pair of the A+B port
to the center pair of the A port and the outer pair of the A+B port to the
center pair of the B port.
Sounds like there isn't any technical reason you shouldn't be able to get DSL on
both lines. The only way to know for sure though is to call SBC and place the
order. The order takers aren't very technically savvy, but are pretty good
about getting back to you if the technicians run into a problem getting you the
service.
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Thank you. |
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David Lesher
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Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:51 am Post subject:
Re: Can I get two DSL connections on SBC bound lines? |
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"James T. White" <SPAMjtwhiteGUARD@hal-pc.org> writes:
| Quote: | Actually, I don't have a Ringmaster-type service. I hesitate to use the
term "line", but I really do have two different phone "lines" on one
twisted pair. I have to use a "Y" splitter (found at Radio Shack) to
separate out the lines. The splitter has 3 jacks and says "A" / "B" and
....
1) I can call line #1 from line #2. In 25 years of using this service, I've
never seen the two lines impact each other. They operate completely
independently.
2) I can have different long distance service on the two lines (got bitten
by that before.. I changed LD plans on the main line and thought it would
carry over to the child line, but it didn't. Most of my LD calling was on
the child line since that's where I have my modem and fax machine).
3) When I get my phone bill, I see no split out between the two lines for
local service. All I see for the 2nd number is a "line charge".
....
Sounds like you have two lines, each running on a separate pair and have two
separate POTS lines.
When you look into a normal RJ-11 phone jack, the red/green pair is connected to
the two pins in the middle and the yellow/black pair is connected to the two
outer pins. The Radio Shack splitter connects the center pair of the A+B port
to the center pair of the A port and the outer pair of the A+B port to the
center pair of the B port.
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Agreed. I have NEVER heard of this billing scheme; but you clearly have two
separate physical pairs; and some >2 directory number assignments on them.
The two lines are connected to the two pairs in a RJ-14 {a RJ-11 means one line}
jack.
You should be able to get 2 DSL accounts, tariffs willing.
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& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
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