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Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:20 am Post subject:
VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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just got this email bounced
according to http://www.mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx
verizon's server 206.46.252.42 is listed in 9 lists as spewing spam and is now
blocked, my problem is a LOT of web site force you to use the ISP's server and
not yahoo or msn, so I'm sol until this ban is lifted
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
Remote system: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25) (server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com
ESMTP)
X-Account-Key: account1
X-UIDL: 35-1113555266
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 10000000
X-Kaspersky: Checked
Received: from process-daemon.vms042.mailsrvcs.net by vms042.mailsrvcs.net
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24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
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Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: postmaster@verizon.net
Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed
To: RES@verizon.net
Message-id: <0IIM00G9XFRUGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: multipart/report;
boundary="Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)"; report-type=delivery-status
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Content-language: en-US
This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields:
Message-id: <42BCD359.9040206@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:45:29 -0700
From: DELETED <RES@verizon.net>
To: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Subject: upgrade cost from 8.0 to latest of softremote
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
Remote system: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25) (server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com
ESMTP)
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: message/delivery-status
Reporting-MTA: dns;vms042.mailsrvcs.net (tcp-daemon)
Original-recipient: rfc822;bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Final-recipient: rfc822;bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0 (Remote SMTP server has rejected address)
Remote-MTA: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com ESMTP)
Diagnostic-code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: message/rfc822
Return-path: <RES@verizon.net>
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Received: from [192.168.33.33] ([71.103.6.205])
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bizsupport@safenet-inc.com; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:45:20 -0500 (CDT)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:45:29 -0700
From: <RES@verizon.net>
Subject: upgrade cost from 8.0 to latest of softremote
To: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Message-id: <42BCD359.9040206@verizon.net>
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b2)
Gecko/20050609
Hi I bought softremote 8 in 2002 and want to upgrade can you tell me how
much it costs to upgrade.
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Frankster
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Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:15 pm Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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Welcome to the Internet!
-Frank
<dude@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:6svtb1d8o530golft93se7u8t718cob216@4ax.com...
| Quote: | just got this email bounced
according to http://www.mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx
verizon's server 206.46.252.42 is listed in 9 lists as spewing spam and
is now
blocked, my problem is a LOT of web site force you to use the ISP's
server and
not yahoo or msn, so I'm sol until this ban is lifted
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
Remote system: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com
ESMTP)
X-Account-Key: account1
X-UIDL: 35-1113555266
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 10000000
X-Kaspersky: Checked
Received: from process-daemon.vms042.mailsrvcs.net by vms042.mailsrvcs.net
(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004))
id <0IIM00G01FH6EJ00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for
RES-DELETED-TO-POST-ON-USENET@verizon.net; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from vms042.mailsrvcs.net
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24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: postmaster@verizon.net
Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed
To: RES@verizon.net
Message-id: <0IIM00G9XFRUGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: multipart/report;
boundary="Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)";
report-type=delivery-status
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-language: en-US
This report relates to a message you sent with the following header
fields:
Message-id: <42BCD359.9040206@verizon.net
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:45:29 -0700
From: DELETED <RES@verizon.net
To: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Subject: upgrade cost from 8.0 to latest of softremote
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
Remote system: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com
ESMTP)
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: message/delivery-status
Reporting-MTA: dns;vms042.mailsrvcs.net (tcp-daemon)
Original-recipient: rfc822;bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Final-recipient: rfc822;bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0 (Remote SMTP server has rejected address)
Remote-MTA: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com ESMTP)
Diagnostic-code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: message/rfc822
Return-path: <RES@verizon.net
Received: from tcp-daemon.vms042.mailsrvcs.net by vms042.mailsrvcs.net
(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004))
id <0IIM00G9UFRQGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from [192.168.33.33] ([71.103.6.205])
by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04
(built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id
0IIM00JKHFRJQYK2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for
bizsupport@safenet-inc.com; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:45:20 -0500 (CDT)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:45:29 -0700
From: <RES@verizon.net
Subject: upgrade cost from 8.0 to latest of softremote
To: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Message-id: <42BCD359.9040206@verizon.net
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b2)
Gecko/20050609
Hi I bought softremote 8 in 2002 and want to upgrade can you tell me how
much it costs to upgrade.
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)--
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Frankster
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Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:21 pm Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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I should add...
Welcome to the Internet!
....where there are no official Internet police. Everyone running a system,
from small to large, can adopt any policy they like. When it comes to
creating email blacklists and/or how to use them, everybody has their own
opinion and is free to incorporate it. There is nowhere you can go to force
it to be corrected or changed.
I would recommend writing to your ISP and expressing your dissatisfaction
that they have no better way of controlling spam than to use a third party
(non-verified!) email blocking list. But don't hold your breath for them to
change anything.
I will also say that *reputable* ISPs have finally began to adopt much more
reliable spam blocking techniques and have been moving away from relying on
these stupid, so called "black lists".
-Frank
"Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote in message
news:dZCdnXznFNSAqV3fRVn-ig@giganews.com...
| Quote: | Welcome to the Internet!
-Frank
dude@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:6svtb1d8o530golft93se7u8t718cob216@4ax.com...
just got this email bounced
according to http://www.mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx
verizon's server 206.46.252.42 is listed in 9 lists as spewing spam and
is now
blocked, my problem is a LOT of web site force you to use the ISP's
server and
not yahoo or msn, so I'm sol until this ban is lifted
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
Remote system: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com
ESMTP)
X-Account-Key: account1
X-UIDL: 35-1113555266
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 10000000
X-Kaspersky: Checked
Received: from process-daemon.vms042.mailsrvcs.net by
vms042.mailsrvcs.net
(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004))
id <0IIM00G01FH6EJ00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for
RES-DELETED-TO-POST-ON-USENET@verizon.net; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from vms042.mailsrvcs.net
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id <0IIM00G9UFRQGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: postmaster@verizon.net
Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed
To: RES@verizon.net
Message-id: <0IIM00G9XFRUGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: multipart/report;
boundary="Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)";
report-type=delivery-status
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-language: en-US
This report relates to a message you sent with the following header
fields:
Message-id: <42BCD359.9040206@verizon.net
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:45:29 -0700
From: DELETED <RES@verizon.net
To: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Subject: upgrade cost from 8.0 to latest of softremote
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
Remote system: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com
ESMTP)
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: message/delivery-status
Reporting-MTA: dns;vms042.mailsrvcs.net (tcp-daemon)
Original-recipient: rfc822;bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Final-recipient: rfc822;bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0 (Remote SMTP server has rejected address)
Remote-MTA: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com ESMTP)
Diagnostic-code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: message/rfc822
Return-path: <RES@verizon.net
Received: from tcp-daemon.vms042.mailsrvcs.net by vms042.mailsrvcs.net
(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004))
id <0IIM00G9UFRQGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from [192.168.33.33] ([71.103.6.205])
by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04
(built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id
0IIM00JKHFRJQYK2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for
bizsupport@safenet-inc.com; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:45:20 -0500 (CDT)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:45:29 -0700
From: <RES@verizon.net
Subject: upgrade cost from 8.0 to latest of softremote
To: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Message-id: <42BCD359.9040206@verizon.net
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b2)
Gecko/20050609
Hi I bought softremote 8 in 2002 and want to upgrade can you tell me how
much it costs to upgrade.
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)--
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Frankster
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Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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I'll get this right eventually... sorry.
"writing to your ISP"
should read...
"writing to the admin of the email server that bounced your mail"
I realize that you are one of the victims of this mess.
There will be some that inform you that you can write VZW and VZW can work
with the folks that create the blacklist, satisfy their requirements, and be
removed from the blacklists. Again, don't hold your breath. The real
problem is that these blacklists throw the baby out with the bathwater and
are not an appropriate tool in today's Internet community.
-Frank
"Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote in message
news:dZCdnXznFNSAqV3fRVn-ig@giganews.com...
| Quote: | Welcome to the Internet!
-Frank
dude@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:6svtb1d8o530golft93se7u8t718cob216@4ax.com...
just got this email bounced
according to http://www.mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx
verizon's server 206.46.252.42 is listed in 9 lists as spewing spam and
is now
blocked, my problem is a LOT of web site force you to use the ISP's
server and
not yahoo or msn, so I'm sol until this ban is lifted
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
Remote system: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com
ESMTP)
X-Account-Key: account1
X-UIDL: 35-1113555266
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 10000000
X-Kaspersky: Checked
Received: from process-daemon.vms042.mailsrvcs.net by
vms042.mailsrvcs.net
(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004))
id <0IIM00G01FH6EJ00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for
RES-DELETED-TO-POST-ON-USENET@verizon.net; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from vms042.mailsrvcs.net
(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004))
id <0IIM00G9UFRQGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: postmaster@verizon.net
Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed
To: RES@verizon.net
Message-id: <0IIM00G9XFRUGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: multipart/report;
boundary="Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)";
report-type=delivery-status
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-language: en-US
This report relates to a message you sent with the following header
fields:
Message-id: <42BCD359.9040206@verizon.net
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:45:29 -0700
From: DELETED <RES@verizon.net
To: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Subject: upgrade cost from 8.0 to latest of softremote
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
Remote system: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com
ESMTP)
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: message/delivery-status
Reporting-MTA: dns;vms042.mailsrvcs.net (tcp-daemon)
Original-recipient: rfc822;bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Final-recipient: rfc822;bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0 (Remote SMTP server has rejected address)
Remote-MTA: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com ESMTP)
Diagnostic-code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: message/rfc822
Return-path: <RES@verizon.net
Received: from tcp-daemon.vms042.mailsrvcs.net by vms042.mailsrvcs.net
(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004))
id <0IIM00G9UFRQGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from [192.168.33.33] ([71.103.6.205])
by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04
(built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id
0IIM00JKHFRJQYK2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for
bizsupport@safenet-inc.com; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:45:20 -0500 (CDT)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:45:29 -0700
From: <RES@verizon.net
Subject: upgrade cost from 8.0 to latest of softremote
To: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Message-id: <42BCD359.9040206@verizon.net
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b2)
Gecko/20050609
Hi I bought softremote 8 in 2002 and want to upgrade can you tell me how
much it costs to upgrade.
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)--
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T. Sean Weintz
Guest
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| Posted:
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:20 am Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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T. Sean Weintz wrote:
| Quote: | Frankster wrote:
I'll get this right eventually... sorry.
"writing to your ISP"
should read...
"writing to the admin of the email server that bounced your mail"
I realize that you are one of the victims of this mess.
No, he should complain to his ISP. It's verizon's fault they are on the
blacklist.
That server was seen sending spam as recently as the 23rd of June, It
SHOULD be on the blacklist!
http://www.mail-abuse.com/cgi-bin/show_listing.cgi?1251706#vms042pub.verizon.net
Verizon has NO EXCUSE for allowing spam such as this from their servers.
Period.
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Frankster
Guest
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| Posted:
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:20 am Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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So... instead of blocking an entire ISP because SOMEONE sent some SPAM using
VZW, how 'bout finding a 2005 era method of identifying SPAM?!?!?
That's what others are doing!
Not some silly blacklist bullshit.
-Frank
"T. Sean Weintz" <strap@hanh-ct.org> wrote in message
news:11c0kluck1m3p2e@news.supernews.com...
| Quote: | Frankster wrote:
I'll get this right eventually... sorry.
"writing to your ISP"
should read...
"writing to the admin of the email server that bounced your mail"
I realize that you are one of the victims of this mess.
No, he should complain to his ISP. It's verizon's fault they are on the
blacklist.
That server was seen sending spam as recently as the 23rd of June, It
SHOULD be on the blacklist!
http://www.mail-abuse.com/cgi-bin/show_listing.cgi?1251706#vms042pub.verizon.net
Verizon has NO EXCUSE for allowing spam such as this from their servers.
Period.
There will be some that inform you that you can write VZW and VZW can
work with the folks that create the blacklist, satisfy their
requirements, and be removed from the blacklists. Again, don't hold your
breath. The real problem is that these blacklists throw the baby out with
the bathwater and are not an appropriate tool in today's Internet
community.
-Frank
"Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote in message
news:dZCdnXznFNSAqV3fRVn-ig@giganews.com...
Welcome to the Internet!
-Frank
dude@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:6svtb1d8o530golft93se7u8t718cob216@4ax.com...
just got this email bounced
according to http://www.mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx
verizon's server 206.46.252.42 is listed in 9 lists as spewing spam
and is now
blocked, my problem is a LOT of web site force you to use the ISP's
server and
not yahoo or msn, so I'm sol until this ban is lifted
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
Remote system: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com
ESMTP)
X-Account-Key: account1
X-UIDL: 35-1113555266
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 10000000
X-Kaspersky: Checked
Received: from process-daemon.vms042.mailsrvcs.net by
vms042.mailsrvcs.net
(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004))
id <0IIM00G01FH6EJ00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for
RES-DELETED-TO-POST-ON-USENET@verizon.net; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from vms042.mailsrvcs.net
(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004))
id <0IIM00G9UFRQGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: postmaster@verizon.net
Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed
To: RES@verizon.net
Message-id: <0IIM00G9XFRUGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: multipart/report;
boundary="Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)";
report-type=delivery-status
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-language: en-US
This report relates to a message you sent with the following header
fields:
Message-id: <42BCD359.9040206@verizon.net
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:45:29 -0700
From: DELETED <RES@verizon.net
To: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Subject: upgrade cost from 8.0 to latest of softremote
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
Remote system: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com
ESMTP)
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: message/delivery-status
Reporting-MTA: dns;vms042.mailsrvcs.net (tcp-daemon)
Original-recipient: rfc822;bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Final-recipient: rfc822;bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0 (Remote SMTP server has rejected address)
Remote-MTA: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com ESMTP)
Diagnostic-code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: message/rfc822
Return-path: <RES@verizon.net
Received: from tcp-daemon.vms042.mailsrvcs.net by vms042.mailsrvcs.net
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id <0IIM00G9UFRQGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from [192.168.33.33] ([71.103.6.205])
by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix
0.04
(built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id
0IIM00JKHFRJQYK2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for
bizsupport@safenet-inc.com; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:45:20 -0500 (CDT)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:45:29 -0700
From: <RES@verizon.net
Subject: upgrade cost from 8.0 to latest of softremote
To: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Message-id: <42BCD359.9040206@verizon.net
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b2)
Gecko/20050609
Hi I bought softremote 8 in 2002 and want to upgrade can you tell me how
much it costs to upgrade.
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)--
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T. Sean Weintz
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| Posted:
Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:20 am Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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Frankster wrote:
| Quote: | I'll get this right eventually... sorry.
"writing to your ISP"
should read...
"writing to the admin of the email server that bounced your mail"
I realize that you are one of the victims of this mess.
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No, he should complain to his ISP. It's verizon's fault they are on the
blacklist.
That server was seen sending spam as recently as the 23rd of June, It
SHOULD be on the blacklist!
http://www.mail-abuse.com/cgi-bin/show_listing.cgi?1251706#vms042pub.verizon.net
Verizon has NO EXCUSE for allowing spam such as this from their servers.
Period.
| Quote: | There will be some that inform you that you can write VZW and VZW can work
with the folks that create the blacklist, satisfy their requirements, and be
removed from the blacklists. Again, don't hold your breath. The real
problem is that these blacklists throw the baby out with the bathwater and
are not an appropriate tool in today's Internet community.
-Frank
"Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote in message
news:dZCdnXznFNSAqV3fRVn-ig@giganews.com...
Welcome to the Internet!
-Frank
dude@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:6svtb1d8o530golft93se7u8t718cob216@4ax.com...
just got this email bounced
according to http://www.mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx
verizon's server 206.46.252.42 is listed in 9 lists as spewing spam and
is now
blocked, my problem is a LOT of web site force you to use the ISP's
server and
not yahoo or msn, so I'm sol until this ban is lifted
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
Remote system: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com
ESMTP)
X-Account-Key: account1
X-UIDL: 35-1113555266
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 10000000
X-Kaspersky: Checked
Received: from process-daemon.vms042.mailsrvcs.net by
vms042.mailsrvcs.net
(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004))
id <0IIM00G01FH6EJ00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for
RES-DELETED-TO-POST-ON-USENET@verizon.net; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from vms042.mailsrvcs.net
(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004))
id <0IIM00G9UFRQGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: postmaster@verizon.net
Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed
To: RES@verizon.net
Message-id: <0IIM00G9XFRUGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: multipart/report;
boundary="Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)";
report-type=delivery-status
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-language: en-US
This report relates to a message you sent with the following header
fields:
Message-id: <42BCD359.9040206@verizon.net
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:45:29 -0700
From: DELETED <RES@verizon.net
To: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Subject: upgrade cost from 8.0 to latest of softremote
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
Remote system: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com
ESMTP)
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: message/delivery-status
Reporting-MTA: dns;vms042.mailsrvcs.net (tcp-daemon)
Original-recipient: rfc822;bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Final-recipient: rfc822;bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0 (Remote SMTP server has rejected address)
Remote-MTA: dns;cluster2.us.messagelabs.com
(TCP|206.46.252.42|36335|216.82.255.67|25)
(server-4.tower-73.messagelabs.com ESMTP)
Diagnostic-code: smtp;553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
http://www.mail-abuse.com/enduserinfo.html
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)
Content-type: message/rfc822
Return-path: <RES@verizon.net
Received: from tcp-daemon.vms042.mailsrvcs.net by vms042.mailsrvcs.net
(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004))
id <0IIM00G9UFRQGA00@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri,
24 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from [192.168.33.33] ([71.103.6.205])
by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04
(built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id
0IIM00JKHFRJQYK2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for
bizsupport@safenet-inc.com; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:45:20 -0500 (CDT)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:45:29 -0700
From: <RES@verizon.net
Subject: upgrade cost from 8.0 to latest of softremote
To: bizsupport@safenet-inc.com
Message-id: <42BCD359.9040206@verizon.net
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b2)
Gecko/20050609
Hi I bought softremote 8 in 2002 and want to upgrade can you tell me how
much it costs to upgrade.
--Boundary_(ID_wODftB2uJnCR0qrLrx9v6Q)--
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Frankster
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| Posted:
Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:05 am Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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| Quote: | Funny. Now it's NOT listed. 3 hours later.
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And three hours after that it is back...
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Checking 206.46.252.42 against 144 known blacklists...
Listed: 7 time(s)
Timeouts:6
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T. Sean Weintz
Guest
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| Posted:
Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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Frankster wrote:
| Quote: | So... instead of blocking an entire ISP because SOMEONE sent some SPAM using
VZW, how 'bout finding a 2005 era method of identifying SPAM?!?!?
That's what others are doing!
Not some silly blacklist bullshit.
-Frank
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And that punishes the repsonsible ISP how exactly? |
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Frankster
Guest
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| Posted:
Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:20 am Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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| Quote: | And that punishes the repsonsible ISP how exactly?
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It's not about punishing the ISP silly. It's about GETTING VALID E-MAIL
THOROUGH!
-Frank |
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T. Sean Weintz
Guest
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| Posted:
Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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Frankster wrote:
| Quote: | And that punishes the repsonsible ISP how exactly?
It's not about punishing the ISP silly. It's about GETTING VALID E-MAIL
THOROUGH!
-Frank
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From the senders prospective, usually yes. On the receiver's end,
things may be seen a little differently.
It's about getting email only from non-spam friendly sources where I
sit. My mail server users about 15 or so black lists as well as a
bayesian filter. I find blacklist to be much more effective and
reliable, giving fewer false positives and fewer false negatives than
bayesian filtering.
Furthermore, I find your attitude that making sure mail gets through
being more important than putting pressure on ISP's that refuse to curb
their spammers to be rather irresponsible. If a message is critcal, send
it certified next day snail mail, or FedEx, or UPS red, or whatever.
Email is and always has been a "best effort delivery" technology.
Luckily enough of us see thing differently from the way that you do that
RBL's will continue to be a thorn in the side of irresponsible ISP's and
their clueless users. |
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Frankster
Guest
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| Posted:
Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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There is nothing wrong with my attitude. I run a mail server and I comply
will all the recommended standards to include having a reverse lookup and an
SPF record.
However, the blacklist method of identifying spam is a technology that has
reached the end of its useful life. The new technologies are much better.
And they can focus on true spam rather than an IP address that has the
POTENTIAL of sending spam based on past history.
-Frank
"T. Sean Weintz" <strap@hanh-ct.org> wrote in message
news:11c84h72o8iam18@news.supernews.com...
| Quote: | Frankster wrote:
And that punishes the repsonsible ISP how exactly?
It's not about punishing the ISP silly. It's about GETTING VALID E-MAIL
THOROUGH!
-Frank
From the senders prospective, usually yes. On the receiver's end, things
may be seen a little differently.
It's about getting email only from non-spam friendly sources where I sit.
My mail server users about 15 or so black lists as well as a bayesian
filter. I find blacklist to be much more effective and reliable, giving
fewer false positives and fewer false negatives than bayesian filtering.
Furthermore, I find your attitude that making sure mail gets through being
more important than putting pressure on ISP's that refuse to curb their
spammers to be rather irresponsible. If a message is critcal, send it
certified next day snail mail, or FedEx, or UPS red, or whatever. Email is
and always has been a "best effort delivery" technology.
Luckily enough of us see thing differently from the way that you do that
RBL's will continue to be a thorn in the side of irresponsible ISP's and
their clueless users. |
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Frankster
Guest
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| Posted:
Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:22 pm Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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My original qoute is below!
| Quote: | It's not about punishing the ISP silly. It's about GETTING VALID E-MAIL
THOROUGH!
-Frank
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The words you attributed to me are quoted below!
| Quote: | Furthermore, I find your attitude that making sure mail gets through...
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Two entirely different meanings. Note the word VALID! Are you trying to
twist my comments?
-Frank |
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David Schwartz
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| Posted:
Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:00 am Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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"Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote in message
news:edqdnX3giYOI8FjfRVn-qg@giganews.com...
| Quote: | However, the blacklist method of identifying spam is a technology that has
reached the end of its useful life. The new technologies are much better.
And they can focus on true spam rather than an IP address that has the
POTENTIAL of sending spam based on past history.
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What "new technologies" are you referring to? I know of no new
technology that eliminates the need for blacklists. If you know something
nobody else does, perhaps you could share.
DS |
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T. Sean Weintz
Guest
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| Posted:
Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:20 am Post subject:
Re: VERIZON'S EMAIL SERVER IN RBL LIST, CAN'T SEND EMAILS |
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Frankster wrote:
| Quote: | There is nothing wrong with my attitude. I run a mail server and I comply
will all the recommended standards to include having a reverse lookup and an
SPF record.
However, the blacklist method of identifying spam is a technology that has
reached the end of its useful life. The new technologies are much better.
And they can focus on true spam rather than an IP address that has the
POTENTIAL of sending spam based on past history.
-Frank
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My point is I think forcing ISP's to clean up their users acts (or
terminate their accounts more aggressively) is more important than
making sure every piece of valid email gets through.
If a piece of mail is that important, you send it certified rerurn
receipt or fedex anyway, not via email!
If verizon won't take the steps needed to stay out of the blacklist,
then their usres should switch ISP's or learn to live with mail service
that will not work to certain destinations. |
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