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Kay Archer
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 12:25 am Post subject:
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"Neil W Rickert" <rickert+nn@cs.niu.edu> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> writes:
rickert+nn@cs.niu.edu> wrote:
Unfortunately the modem they send uses a USB port.
Interesting. What modem is that? The default modem is usually
a speedstream 5100b with an ethernet connection.
Hmm. That's interesting. I haven't recieved it yet, I'm going by what
the sales person said which was USB.
Would seem kind of dumb because I'm not even sure that USB can handle
the speed, but USB is on most Windows computers, I don't know that
ethernet is.
There do exist USB modems. They should handle the speed. Maybe SBC
is sending you the 2Wire, which does USB and ethernet.
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Pete Stephenson
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 4:09 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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In article <unm8s0h61csfh0s0mf8f2pggeuff0loo3v@4ax.com>,
Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:47:26 -0800, Pete Stephenson
pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote:
Either one will protect you from probes, worms, etc. Obviously, suitable
security software should be installed on all system inside anyway. A NAT
box (or indeed any firewall) is not the End All Be All of security.
This is sort of the logic for my "one computer sees the net" strategy.
With one computer, I only have to worry about it. so I lock down that
computer from a security standpoint. The only way to access the other
computers is through the LAN. Since there is no way to know what
my configuration is, a hacker would have to put in a lot of time to
get at stuff that is not worth the effort.
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Indeed. I just like the concept of a dedicated piece of machinery (i.e.
an actual NAT box, rather than an actual computer configured to do the
same) that handles this. Same benefits apply, but with less risk (not
having to go around turning off all the extra processes on a *nix
machine, or just even having a Windows machine in the first place).
| Quote: | As for being familiar with DSL, it's not terribly complicated -- it's
just an internet connection over your phone wires. *shrugs* No different
really in function than a cable modem, dialup, an office connection, etc.
I've worked with office systems. They can get pretty complicated.
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True. Maybe the offices I've worked at have been fairly clued. :)
| Quote: | It /should/ have ethernet as well as USB. If not, demand one that does.
While I want to be cheap, I don't want to be that cheap. I suspect
that they just pick the cheapest equipment they can, and I may not
have much of a choice. Also, it's already on it's way. Rather then
go back and forth with UPS, I would like to just get my own cheap but
reliable equipment.
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Every DSL modem I've heard of has ethernet installed. Some have the
addition of USB, but none that I know of are *only* USB. We'll see when
the equipment arrives. :)
| Quote: | By protocols, I basically mean hardware protocols. By this I mean
input to a DSL modem, are there different formats for the signal
sent down the phone line so that not all modems work on all
connections? Are there combination modems and routers?
Are there routers that take USB input (probably a combo of USB
and ethernet)? Put simply, I just don't know how these things are
organised.
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Ah. Many (I hesitate to say "all" or "nearly all") DSL modems for home
use are ADSL modems and should be compatible with nearly any provider
that also uses ADSL. For example, I'm switching from Speakeasy.net to
Sonic.net for DSL service and will be using the exact same modem I
already have. Even though the new equipment is essentially free ($99 -
$99 rebate), it's more equipment I don't need around the house and thats
$99 out of my pocket until the rebate comes back in.
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Thad O
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:00 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:09:34 -0800, Pete Stephenson
<pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Every DSL modem I've heard of has ethernet installed. Some have the
addition of USB, but none that I know of are *only* USB. We'll see when
the equipment arrives. :)
I found a website where they give a list of modems. I don't know if it |
is accurate, but from manuals ( which are pretty vague ) one of the
modems has ethernet, and one looks like it might be a USB only modem.
I tried finding spec sheets but the companies don't seem to be very
good about providing them on their web sites ( Westel, Efficient,
Alcatel ).
Depending on where they mail the equipment from, I should find out
soon.
| Quote: | By protocols, I basically mean hardware protocols. By this I mean
input to a DSL modem, are there different formats for the signal
sent down the phone line so that not all modems work on all
connections? Are there combination modems and routers?
Are there routers that take USB input (probably a combo of USB
and ethernet)? Put simply, I just don't know how these things are
organised.
Ah. Many (I hesitate to say "all" or "nearly all") DSL modems for home
use are ADSL modems and should be compatible with nearly any provider
that also uses ADSL. For example, I'm switching from Speakeasy.net to
Sonic.net for DSL service and will be using the exact same modem I
already have. Even though the new equipment is essentially free ($99 -
$99 rebate), it's more equipment I don't need around the house and thats
$99 out of my pocket until the rebate comes back in.
Thanks. |
Most people here have been helpfull, you most of all. I have one final
question. They told me I should keep the system on for 10 days because
they will be doing fine tuning of speed. What does that mean? Wil l
they need me to keep on my computers, or just the modem? If I change
the comfiguration ie replace the modem or change the modem will I have
to have them fine tune again? Sounded a bit weird to me. |
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Pete Stephenson
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:14 pm Post subject:
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In article <pljcs0lnvg1ido27pucld036ejim1437p8@4ax.com>,
Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Most people here have been helpfull, you most of all. I have one
final question. They told me I should keep the system on for 10 days
because they will be doing fine tuning of speed. What does that mean?
Wil l they need me to keep on my computers, or just the modem? If I
change the comfiguration ie replace the modem or change the modem
will I have to have them fine tune again? Sounded a bit weird to me.
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My pleasure! :)
This is something I'm afraid I don't have the answer for, nor did some
time puttering around Google answer.
My DSL modem has only been turned off momentarily to reset it since I
bought it, and I had full speed as soon as I plugged it in the first
time.
I've heard some rumblings in this newsgroup (comp.dcom.xdsl)
specifically relating to "break-in periods" for DSL modems where they
"learn" the electrical characteristics of the line for a week or so and
fine-tune it. I'm not sure if this is myth or truth. Either way, you
certainly can't go wrong with simply leaving your DSL modem on. There's
no real sense in leaving the computer on if you don't need to.
Hopefully this helps out a bit, though I'm not entirely sure I've
provided any information that may prove useful.
Cheers!
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NormanM
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:26 pm Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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In article <pljcs0lnvg1ido27pucld036ejim1437p8@4ax.com>, Thad O says...
| Quote: | Most people here have been helpfull, you most of all. I have one final
question. They told me I should keep the system on for 10 days because
they will be doing fine tuning of speed. What does that mean? Wil l
they need me to keep on my computers, or just the modem? If I change
the comfiguration ie replace the modem or change the modem will I have
to have them fine tune again? Sounded a bit weird to me.
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SBC starts you out on the minimum speed of the plan, 384kbps down, then
monitors the connection, and increments the speed upward until they see too
many transmission errors, then back off by one increment. Or something like
that. If you don't leave the modem on they won't get the data they need to
set your speed cap. You could wind up at a lower download rate than your
line can handle.
You can probably find more details on SBC operations at
http://www.broadbandreports.com; look for the SBC forums. I think there are
three, by region.
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Norman
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~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint |
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Neil W Rickert
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:33 pm Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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| Quote: | I've heard some rumblings in this newsgroup (comp.dcom.xdsl)
specifically relating to "break-in periods" for DSL modems where they
"learn" the electrical characteristics of the line for a week or so and
fine-tune it.
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No, modems don't need any break in period.
In some circumstances, SBC will start you on a lower speed, and then
monitor the stability of your line. If all goes well, they increase
the speed in increments, as long as it looks stable. They call this
"ramp up". However, if they already know your line can handle the
max speed of your plan, they may just start out with the max
setting.
To play it safe, leave the modem on continuously for the first 10
days.
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Thad O
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:05 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:14:40 -0800, Pete Stephenson
<pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Either way, you
certainly can't go wrong with simply leaving your DSL modem on. There's
no real sense in leaving the computer on if you don't need to.
Thanks . My main concern was with my computers. At times they |
overheat, so I don't like to leave them on when I'm out. I'm happy to
leave the modem on all the time.
| Quote: | Hopefully this helps out a bit, though I'm not entirely sure I've
provided any information that may prove useful.
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In a sense, I already "knew" everything you said. But along with
the reality there was a lot of disinformation creating a "haze"
around the truth. Tou've basically cleared that haze which has been
very usefull.
I know I said one more question, but when I said that I really meant
two more questions, and just forgot to ask the second.
I don't have an account on ebay. I like this because when I get an
email about my ebay account I know it's spam ;) What other online
sources are there for equipment other than ebay? |
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Thad O
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:05 pm Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:26:51 GMT, NormanM <spammail@blackhole.invalid>
wrote:
| Quote: | You can probably find more details on SBC operations at
http://www.broadbandreports.com; look for the SBC forums. I think there are
three, by region.
Thanks for the explanation. |
I remember dslreports ( which evolved into this site ) back when I
first considered dsl. I tried looking at it now and find it quite
confusing. I think they try but don't quite manage to clean out all
the old stuff. Anyway, I just find a lot of their stuff vague these
days :( |
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Kay Archer
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:12 pm Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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| Quote: | Most people here have been helpfull, you most of all. I have one final
question. They told me I should keep the system on for 10 days because
they will be doing fine tuning of speed. What does that mean? Wil l
they need me to keep on my computers, or just the modem? If I change
the comfiguration ie replace the modem or change the modem will I have
to have them fine tune again? Sounded a bit weird to me.
Called the "ramp up" period, only the modem needs to be on. It is similar |
to the negotiation that your dial-up modem uses to decide between 48.x kbps
and 38.y kbps. |
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Pete Stephenson
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:46 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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In article <de4es09guhta7nirn8cke7e4g9gjug2vak@4ax.com>,
Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I don't have an account on ebay. I like this because when I get an
email about my ebay account I know it's spam ;) What other online
sources are there for equipment other than ebay?
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*GASP* INFIDEL!
*clears throat* I'm honestly not sure. Try Googling for stuff. Google's
"Froogle" service is quite nice.
I've found eBay to be quite good for "general" auction stuff, though I
use other specialized auction sites for specialized items (i.e.
gunbroker.com for firearms, and so forth).
That said, I'm not very sure about other sites. Sorry. :/
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David H. Lipman
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:08 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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I wouldn't touch eBay if you PAID me to use it.
The propensity of being ripped off is too high !
Dave
"Pete Stephenson" <pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote in message
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| In article <de4es09guhta7nirn8cke7e4g9gjug2vak@4ax.com>,
| Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> wrote:
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| > I don't have an account on ebay. I like this because when I get an
| > email about my ebay account I know it's spam ;) What other online
| > sources are there for equipment other than ebay?
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| *GASP* INFIDEL!
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| *clears throat* I'm honestly not sure. Try Googling for stuff. Google's
| "Froogle" service is quite nice.
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| I've found eBay to be quite good for "general" auction stuff, though I
| use other specialized auction sites for specialized items (i.e.
| gunbroker.com for firearms, and so forth).
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| That said, I'm not very sure about other sites. Sorry. :/
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Pete Stephenson
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:30 am Post subject:
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In article <_PJxd.2405$2X6.742@trnddc07>,
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
| Quote: | I wouldn't touch eBay if you PAID me to use it.
The propensity of being ripped off is too high !
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*shrugs* I've completed nearly for transactions on the site over several
years. Sure, it's not a huge number like some people have, but then
again I don't make my living from selling stuff on eBay.
That said, other than one incident where an item was delayed several
weeks in transit (due to the seller mailing it to my address at Fort
Lewis, WA when I was in the army immediately before I moved back home to
California, and thus it needed to be forwarded), I've been extremely
satisfied with eBay.
I've even purchase two computers (which tend to be somewhat expensive,
fragile, and a wide variety of other technical problems if not
maintained/shipped properly) and have been extremely satisfied.
One must be prudent, of course, and verify the details of the item being
bid upon with the seller, ensure that both parties have acceptable
Feedback ratings (indicating a history of good transactions), and agree
upon a common form of payment (PayPal is quite common and offers fraud
protection, among other safeguards).
While fraud on eBay is, unfortunately, a problem, if one is prudent and
consistent with verifying the validity of the seller and their items to
a reasonable degree, one should be able to avoid such pitfalls.
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David H. Lipman
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:56 am Post subject:
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I avoid all pitfalls by not using their service or PayPal.
Dave
"Pete Stephenson" <pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote in message
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| In article <_PJxd.2405$2X6.742@trnddc07>,
| "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
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| > I wouldn't touch eBay if you PAID me to use it.
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| > The propensity of being ripped off is too high !
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| *shrugs* I've completed nearly for transactions on the site over several
| years. Sure, it's not a huge number like some people have, but then
| again I don't make my living from selling stuff on eBay.
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| That said, other than one incident where an item was delayed several
| weeks in transit (due to the seller mailing it to my address at Fort
| Lewis, WA when I was in the army immediately before I moved back home to
| California, and thus it needed to be forwarded), I've been extremely
| satisfied with eBay.
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| I've even purchase two computers (which tend to be somewhat expensive,
| fragile, and a wide variety of other technical problems if not
| maintained/shipped properly) and have been extremely satisfied.
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| One must be prudent, of course, and verify the details of the item being
| bid upon with the seller, ensure that both parties have acceptable
| Feedback ratings (indicating a history of good transactions), and agree
| upon a common form of payment (PayPal is quite common and offers fraud
| protection, among other safeguards).
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| While fraud on eBay is, unfortunately, a problem, if one is prudent and
| consistent with verifying the validity of the seller and their items to
| a reasonable degree, one should be able to avoid such pitfalls.
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Thad O
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 8:04 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:46:26 -0800, Pete Stephenson
<pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote:
| Quote: | *GASP* INFIDEL!
I'm not saying I'm worried about frauds on the ebay. |
What I'm saying is that I get about three or four spams
a day saying my ebay account has been compromised, go to
this web site.
As long as I don't use ebay, I don't have to worry about it. |
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Pete Stephenson
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:21 pm Post subject:
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In article <lhcfs01225gmh5vpgb94gkjiuhcugsq3l2@4ax.com>,
Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> wrote:
| Quote: | What I'm saying is that I get about three or four spams
a day saying my ebay account has been compromised, go to
this web site.
As long as I don't use ebay, I don't have to worry about it.
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*shrugs* I treat any message like that as suspect.
I've gotten one or two rather clever phishing messages that at least had
me going for a few seconds (though I never click on official-looking
links in email) until I discovered their trickery. Now Eudora warns when
there's HTML trickery that would conceal the actual URL. Not quite Idiot
Proof(TM) yet, but definitely Idiot Resistant(TM).
Nearly all the services that I have a recurring membership with have a
Sneakemail.com address that is unique to them. If I get email purporting
to be from eBay that's not sent to that address, it's obviously false.
If I start getting spam to one of those addresses, the address is
promptly deleted and a fresh one given to the company. All spam is then
reported. If spam continues to come to the new address, that is proof
beyond any shadow of a doubt that the company is selling my address and
they will get a very nasty letter from me.
It's unnecessary, considering how suspicious I generally am of anything
wanting my personal information, but it serves me well.
Again, suspicion, prudence and common sense will go far on the internet.
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