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Thad O
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:16 am Post subject:
SBC DSL and NT. |
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I just ordered SBC DSL. They told me they do not support NT4SP6.
I have 3 computer lan but I only want one computer connected
to the net. ( That way I only have to worry about all the crap from
the net on one computer. )
One runs 98. One runs Linux 2.4.18 kernel.
One runs NT.
I can move a lot of stuff around and use my 98 computer for net
access, but now I am using my NT box, and I really don't want
to change unless I have to.
Unfortunately the modem they send uses a USB port.
Is it possible to get it working on my NT box? |
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Thad O
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:17 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:16:46 GMT, Thad O
<not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I just ordered SBC DSL. They told me they do not support NT4SP6.
I have 3 computer lan but I only want one computer connected
to the net. ( That way I only have to worry about all the crap from
the net on one computer. )
One runs 98. One runs Linux 2.4.18 kernel.
One runs NT.
I can move a lot of stuff around and use my 98 computer for net
access, but now I am using my NT box, and I really don't want
to change unless I have to.
Unfortunately the modem they send uses a USB port.
Is it possible to get it working on my NT box?
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Sorry. I forgot to say thanks. |
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Pete Stephenson
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:35 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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In article <79o6s0tiuuockr7d3errt64rtk8petosf2@4ax.com>,
Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I can move a lot of stuff around and use my 98 computer for net
access, but now I am using my NT box, and I really don't want
to change unless I have to.
Unfortunately the modem they send uses a USB port.
Is it possible to get it working on my NT box?
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It would likely make things a great deal easier if you were to simply
get a $50 NAT router (Linksys makes some good ones). That way all the
computers would be able to use the internet if needed, they'd be
protected from various security threats, etc.
Does the DSL modem have any sort of ethernet support at all? If not, I
strongly suggest that you return it and/or simply buy one at a computer
shop (they're not that pricey). Heck, eBay has hundreds of DSL modems
for sale.
Cheers!
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Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com |
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David H. Lipman
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:07 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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Exactly Pete.
Get a Cable/DSL Router as the Linksys BEFSR41 and the point is moot. Verizon doesn't
support HP JetDirect print-servers but I have a HP Business inkjet that has an internal HP
JetDirect print-server and it support IPP. Since it is behind a Linksys BEFSR81 whether
Verizon supports it or not is a moot point. Any TCP/IP complaint device can be on the LAN
side of a Cable/DSL Router.
Dave
"Pete Stephenson" <pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote in message
news:pete+usenet-626FBF.15351517122004@news.isp.giganews.com...
| In article <79o6s0tiuuockr7d3errt64rtk8petosf2@4ax.com>,
| Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> wrote:
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| > I can move a lot of stuff around and use my 98 computer for net
| > access, but now I am using my NT box, and I really don't want
| > to change unless I have to.
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| > Unfortunately the modem they send uses a USB port.
| > Is it possible to get it working on my NT box?
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| It would likely make things a great deal easier if you were to simply
| get a $50 NAT router (Linksys makes some good ones). That way all the
| computers would be able to use the internet if needed, they'd be
| protected from various security threats, etc.
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| Does the DSL modem have any sort of ethernet support at all? If not, I
| strongly suggest that you return it and/or simply buy one at a computer
| shop (they're not that pricey). Heck, eBay has hundreds of DSL modems
| for sale.
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| Cheers!
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| Pete Stephenson
| HeyPete.com |
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Neil W Rickert
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> writes:
| Quote: | I just ordered SBC DSL. They told me they do not support NT4SP6.
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I'm sure they don't support solaris either. But that's what I am
using. What you need is a small broadband router to connect to the
DSL modem. Then connect your computers to the router.
| Quote: | Unfortunately the modem they send uses a USB port.
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Interesting. What modem is that? The default modem is usually
a speedstream 5100b with an ethernet connection.
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Neil W Rickert
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:17 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> writes:
| Quote: | rickert+nn@cs.niu.edu> wrote:
Unfortunately the modem they send uses a USB port.
Interesting. What modem is that? The default modem is usually
a speedstream 5100b with an ethernet connection.
Hmm. That's interesting. I haven't recieved it yet, I'm going by what
the sales person said which was USB.
Would seem kind of dumb because I'm not even sure that USB can handle
the speed, but USB is on most Windows computers, I don't know that
ethernet is.
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There do exist USB modems. They should handle the speed. Maybe SBC
is sending you the 2Wire, which does USB and ethernet. |
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Thad O
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:02 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:35:15 -0800, Pete Stephenson
<pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <79o6s0tiuuockr7d3errt64rtk8petosf2@4ax.com>,
Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> wrote:
I can move a lot of stuff around and use my 98 computer for net
access, but now I am using my NT box, and I really don't want
to change unless I have to.
Unfortunately the modem they send uses a USB port.
Is it possible to get it working on my NT box?
It would likely make things a great deal easier if you were to simply
get a $50 NAT router (Linksys makes some good ones). That way all the
computers would be able to use the internet if needed, they'd be
protected from various security threats, etc.
Ok. I'm presumming that newer NAT routers all come with firewalls ;) |
I'm not that familiar with NAT or DSL, so at this point, I just want
something stable until I figure things out and setup the way I want.
One thing that sounds good to me is using my Linux box as a NAT.
My main computer triple boots: NT,98 and Linux. If I really need to
use Linux for something, that is the computer I use. Or if I need to
do something with two Linux boxes. The "Linux all the time"
box is setup basically as a print server, storage device, backup
device and it serves some Web pages locally ( like Perl and Python
docs, or my own docs, or some local Web services, like configuring
samba, I don't want the rest of the world to even see it.) It
wouldn't hurt preformance much to set it up as a NAT.
| Quote: | Does the DSL modem have any sort of ethernet support at all? If not, I
strongly suggest that you return it and/or simply buy one at a computer
shop (they're not that pricey). Heck, eBay has hundreds of DSL modems
for sale.
I have no idea what modem they will send or how it works. Basically |
it's free ( so I don't really care ) I have to return it when the
service is stopped. I also don't know what protocols they are
using for anything ( or even what the possible protocols are ).
I am basically getting their cheapy deal, the $26.95 ( plus taxes that
they don't call taxes because the government won't let them call them
taxes ) thing, because that is all that I can afford for now.
I don't want to freak out their sales people. My understanding is that
the sales people are often times clueless about technical details.
( The person I spoke to is nice, but she couldn't tell me whether they
run their own nntp server--no biggie, they are sales people not techie
geeks ). I don't want to send her running of in search of a better
plan because I ask questions about the boundaries. Instead I ask here,
get a lay of the land, learn the technical details, then I look at the
deal and do what I can. I'm hoping someone who uses SBC can pass on
some of their experiences.
At this point I guess the best way to sum up is to say that what I am
looking for is a web page "How to Install DSL" for people who
have no clue, are told that the signal is coming throught their phone
jack, and the rest of the setup is up to them. Then a second page
describing how SBC is different from other services.
Thanks for you reply. It helps me frame the question better. |
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Thad O
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:02 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "David H. Lipman"
<DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
| Quote: | Exactly Pete.
Get a Cable/DSL Router as the Linksys BEFSR41 and the point is moot. Verizon doesn't
support HP JetDirect print-servers but I have a HP Business inkjet that has an internal HP
JetDirect print-server and it support IPP. Since it is behind a Linksys BEFSR81 whether
Verizon supports it or not is a moot point. Any TCP/IP complaint device can be on the LAN
side of a Cable/DSL Router.
Ok. According to tghe Linksys web page you need a DSL modem. AFAIK the |
modem they send me only has a USB outlet. |
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GlowingBlueMist
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:02 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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At this point I guess the best way to sum up is to say that what I am
looking for is a web page "How to Install DSL" for people who
have no clue, are told that the signal is coming throught their phone
jack, and the rest of the setup is up to them. Then a second page
describing how SBC is different from other services.
Thanks for you reply. It helps me frame the question better.
Check out the "FAQS+Info" section at www.dslreports.com |
or direct link to there http://www.dslreports.com/?nav=6
The info at the web site should be able to answer most of your questions.
/// GlowingBlueMist \\\ |
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Pete Stephenson
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:02 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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In article <lgs6s0topgf8b3saoqdlb3ivrpi82et392@4ax.com>,
Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Ok. I'm presumming that newer NAT routers all come with firewalls ;)
I'm not that familiar with NAT or DSL, so at this point, I just want
something stable until I figure things out and setup the way I want.
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Well, a NAT box more or less is a firewall. It simply won't let any data
in unless it was requested by a machine inside the NAT.
Many these days come with "stateful firewalls" which are somewhat more
advanced.
Either one will protect you from probes, worms, etc. Obviously, suitable
security software should be installed on all system inside anyway. A NAT
box (or indeed any firewall) is not the End All Be All of security.
As for being familiar with DSL, it's not terribly complicated -- it's
just an internet connection over your phone wires. *shrugs* No different
really in function than a cable modem, dialup, an office connection, etc.
| Quote: | I have no idea what modem they will send or how it works. Basically
it's free ( so I don't really care ) I have to return it when the
service is stopped. I also don't know what protocols they are
using for anything ( or even what the possible protocols are ).
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It /should/ have ethernet as well as USB. If not, demand one that does.
I'm not sure what you mean by "protocols" -- DSL can carry any type of
IP data (including both TCP and UDP packets), within the limits imposed
by your ISP. Some ISPs restrict outgoing port 25 (outgoing email) to
prevent the spread of viruses and worms from infected home PCs.
--
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com |
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Thad O
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:02 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:40:50 +0000 (UTC), Neil W Rickert
<rickert+nn@cs.niu.edu> wrote:
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Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> writes:
I just ordered SBC DSL. They told me they do not support NT4SP6.
I'm sure they don't support solaris either. But that's what I am
using. What you need is a small broadband router to connect to the
DSL modem. Then connect your computers to the router.
Unfortunately the modem they send uses a USB port.
Interesting. What modem is that? The default modem is usually
a speedstream 5100b with an ethernet connection.
Hmm. That's interesting. I haven't recieved it yet, I'm going by what |
the sales person said which was USB.
Would seem kind of dumb because I'm not even sure that USB can handle
the speed, but USB is on most Windows computers, I don't know that
ethernet is. |
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Thad O
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:02 am Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:01:42 GMT, Thad O
<not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:40:50 +0000 (UTC), Neil W Rickert
rickert+nn@cs.niu.edu> wrote:
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Thad O <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> writes:
I just ordered SBC DSL. They told me they do not support NT4SP6.
I'm sure they don't support solaris either. But that's what I am
using. What you need is a small broadband router to connect to the
DSL modem. Then connect your computers to the router.
Unfortunately the modem they send uses a USB port.
Interesting. What modem is that? The default modem is usually
a speedstream 5100b with an ethernet connection.
Hmm. That's interesting. I haven't recieved it yet, I'm going by what
the sales person said which was USB.
Would seem kind of dumb because I'm not even sure that USB can handle
the speed, but USB is on most Windows computers, I don't know that
ethernet is.
I forgot. I just came across a web page, |
http://www05.sbc.com/DSL_new/content/1,,20,00.html#help
which lists the modems. ( I'm downloading the manuals as I type. )
It doesn't list the speedstream at all. |
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David H. Lipman
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:23 pm Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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No RJ45 for the LAN side ?
What is the model of the DSL Modem ?
Dave
"Thad O" <not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> wrote in message
news:chc7s053lj5osupq7u6176fmev02ort4eo@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "David H. Lipman"
| <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
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| >Exactly Pete.
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| >Get a Cable/DSL Router as the Linksys BEFSR41 and the point is moot. Verizon doesn't
| >support HP JetDirect print-servers but I have a HP Business inkjet that has an internal
HP
| >JetDirect print-server and it support IPP. Since it is behind a Linksys BEFSR81 whether
| >Verizon supports it or not is a moot point. Any TCP/IP complaint device can be on the
LAN
| >side of a Cable/DSL Router.
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| Ok. According to tghe Linksys web page you need a DSL modem. AFAIK the
| modem they send me only has a USB outlet. |
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John Jones
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 6:53 pm Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:16:46 GMT, Thad O
<not_that_o_but_lczyk@interaccess.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Unfortunately the modem they send uses a USB port.
Is it possible to get it working on my NT box?
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No. Call SBC and have them give you a modem with an Ethernet port.
John Jones, Detroit |
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Thad O
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:15 pm Post subject:
Re: SBC DSL and NT. |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:47:26 -0800, Pete Stephenson
<pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Either one will protect you from probes, worms, etc. Obviously, suitable
security software should be installed on all system inside anyway. A NAT
box (or indeed any firewall) is not the End All Be All of security.
This is sort of the logic for my "one computer sees the net" strategy. |
With one computer, I only have to worry about it. so I lock down that
computer from a security standpoint. The only way to access the other
computers is through the LAN. Since there is no way to know what
my configuration is, a hacker would have to put in a lot of time to
get at stuff that is not worth the effort.
I also take the OS on the "one computer" and make a disk image.
Once a month I restore that image. ( Not for security, but because
I have learned the MS operating systems become corrupt about once
a month. The OS on my computer is never more than one month old.
) Then I make whatever changes I make to the system ( for example
new programs ) install them, then make new Disk Images. Like I
said, it's not for security, but it does help there.
| Quote: | As for being familiar with DSL, it's not terribly complicated -- it's
just an internet connection over your phone wires. *shrugs* No different
really in function than a cable modem, dialup, an office connection, etc.
I've worked with office systems. They can get pretty complicated. |
| Quote: | I have no idea what modem they will send or how it works. Basically
it's free ( so I don't really care ) I have to return it when the
service is stopped. I also don't know what protocols they are
using for anything ( or even what the possible protocols are ).
It /should/ have ethernet as well as USB. If not, demand one that does.
While I want to be cheap, I don't want to be that cheap. I suspect |
that they just pick the cheapest equipment they can, and I may not
have much of a choice. Also, it's already on it's way. Rather then
go back and forth with UPS, I would like to just get my own cheap but
reliable equipment.
| Quote: | I'm not sure what you mean by "protocols" -- DSL can carry any type of
IP data (including both TCP and UDP packets), within the limits imposed
by your ISP. Some ISPs restrict outgoing port 25 (outgoing email) to
prevent the spread of viruses and worms from infected home PCs.
I think that last is a good idea. Especially for the morons who put |
AnalogX Proxy on their machines :) .
By protocols, I basically mean hardware protocols. By this I mean
input to a DSL modem, are there different formats for the signal
sent down the phone line so that not all modems work on all
connections? Are there combination modems and routers?
Are there routers that take USB input (probably a combo of USB
and ethernet)? Put simply, I just don't know how these things are
organised. |
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