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David Lesher
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:27 pm Post subject:
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I'm advising on the rewire of a condo in DC that's undergoing involuntary
renovation, after an upstairs waterline blew and ran for 4 days....
With no ceilings and few walls, it's easy....
The 2S+Basement condo has 25pair telco everywhere [bet no one here
recalls a WECO 51A..] and we're adding coax, CAT5e and misc.
But one problem is the drywall-block distance is quite shallow -
way less than an inch. Is there some kind of mudring+spacer that will
let me use standard wallplates, or a backless box that will protrude
out??
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David Lesher
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:33 pm Post subject:
Re: Shallow Walls |
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"jtodd5 dot 1" <"jtodd5 dot 1"@yahoodot.com> writes:
| Quote: | There are surface mount "extenders" ranging from 1/4" to 3" that you mount
a standard faceplate too. Panduit, Hubbell & Leviton are a few of the
manufactures that have them, others might. But I think I might agree with
the previous post and go with a regular surface mount outlet. Since it's
residential, I'm going to guess it's going to be Leviton or Hubbell and
both have decent low profile surface boxes.
One point, I think you may be completely out of luck for a shallow back
box. I am not aware of any, but doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Surface mount is way too ugly. I'd love to find these extenders, if some
has PN's or urls...
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Sonco
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:18 am Post subject:
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how about a 5 port surface mount, you may be able to cut most of the back
out, and still have enough to screw it to a ring.
"David Lesher" <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I'm advising on the rewire of a condo in DC that's undergoing involuntary
renovation, after an upstairs waterline blew and ran for 4 days....
With no ceilings and few walls, it's easy....
The 2S+Basement condo has 25pair telco everywhere [bet no one here
recalls a WECO 51A..] and we're adding coax, CAT5e and misc.
But one problem is the drywall-block distance is quite shallow -
way less than an inch. Is there some kind of mudring+spacer that will
let me use standard wallplates, or a backless box that will protrude
out??
--
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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jtodd5 dot 1
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:41 am Post subject:
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There are surface mount "extenders" ranging from 1/4" to 3" that you mount
a standard faceplate too. Panduit, Hubbell & Leviton are a few of the
manufactures that have them, others might. But I think I might agree with
the previous post and go with a regular surface mount outlet. Since it's
residential, I'm going to guess it's going to be Leviton or Hubbell and
both have decent low profile surface boxes.
One point, I think you may be completely out of luck for a shallow back
box. I am not aware of any, but doesn't mean they don't exist.
Justin
Sonco wrote:
| Quote: | how about a 5 port surface mount, you may be able to cut most of the back
out, and still have enough to screw it to a ring.
"David Lesher" <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote in message
news:conqak$ibc$1@reader1.panix.com...
I'm advising on the rewire of a condo in DC that's undergoing involuntary
renovation, after an upstairs waterline blew and ran for 4 days....
With no ceilings and few walls, it's easy....
The 2S+Basement condo has 25pair telco everywhere [bet no one here
recalls a WECO 51A..] and we're adding coax, CAT5e and misc.
But one problem is the drywall-block distance is quite shallow -
way less than an inch. Is there some kind of mudring+spacer that will
let me use standard wallplates, or a backless box that will protrude
out??
--
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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David Lesher
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:00 pm Post subject:
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"jtodd5 dot 1" <"jtodd5 dot 1"@yahoodot.com> writes:
| Quote: | There are surface mount "extenders" ranging from 1/4" to 3" that you mount
a standard faceplate too. Panduit, Hubbell & Leviton are a few of the
manufactures that have them, others might. But I think I might agree with
the previous post and go with a regular surface mount outlet. Since it's
residential, I'm going to guess it's going to be Leviton or Hubbell and
both have decent low profile surface boxes.
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Thus far:
Panduit makes an extension, but it's part of its surface-power line,
not data.
Leviton has a dual gang ring, but not a duplex one.
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Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
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jtodd5 dot 1
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:08 pm Post subject:
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David Lesher wrote:
| Quote: | "jtodd5 dot 1" <"jtodd5 dot 1"@yahoodot.com> writes:
There are surface mount "extenders" ranging from 1/4" to 3" that you mount
a standard faceplate too. Panduit, Hubbell & Leviton are a few of the
manufactures that have them, others might. But I think I might agree with
the previous post and go with a regular surface mount outlet. Since it's
residential, I'm going to guess it's going to be Leviton or Hubbell and
both have decent low profile surface boxes.
Thus far:
Panduit makes an extension, but it's part of its surface-power line,
not data.
Leviton has a dual gang ring, but not a duplex one.
Well, I may have led you astray on the Leviton. I know the part I'm |
thinking of, but can't seem to find it any were. I looked through my
Hubbell and Siemon catalog as well and no luck. It might be AllenTel, for
which I don't have a catalog and I really don't like their website.
Anyway, on the Panduit, their JBxxx line of boxes are low voltage only and
the JBPxxxx line can be used for power, but are also usable for data. They
are designed to work with or without the surface mount raceway system.
Either should work for you.
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dg
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Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:43 am Post subject:
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Do you mean that behind the drywall there isn't enough depth for a box? If
so, you can use those drywall brackets that will accept a standard cover
plate, and if that doesn't give you the needed depth I have used a shallow
surface mount box anchored to the drywall bracket with a standard cover
plate on top. Effectively a spacer. The brand of boxes I usually use is
wiremold.
--Dan
"David Lesher" <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote in message
news:conqak$ibc$1@reader1.panix.com...
| Quote: | I'm advising on the rewire of a condo in DC that's undergoing involuntary
renovation, after an upstairs waterline blew and ran for 4 days....
With no ceilings and few walls, it's easy....
The 2S+Basement condo has 25pair telco everywhere [bet no one here
recalls a WECO 51A..] and we're adding coax, CAT5e and misc.
But one problem is the drywall-block distance is quite shallow -
way less than an inch. Is there some kind of mudring+spacer that will
let me use standard wallplates, or a backless box that will protrude
out??
--
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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Al Dykes
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Sun Dec 05, 2004 7:21 pm Post subject:
Re: Shallow Walls |
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In article <1exsd.38873$6q2.24478@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
dg <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Do you mean that behind the drywall there isn't enough depth for a box? If
so, you can use those drywall brackets that will accept a standard cover
plate, and if that doesn't give you the needed depth I have used a shallow
surface mount box anchored to the drywall bracket with a standard cover
plate on top. Effectively a spacer. The brand of boxes I usually use is
wiremold.
--Dan
"David Lesher" <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote in message
news:conqak$ibc$1@reader1.panix.com...
I'm advising on the rewire of a condo in DC that's undergoing involuntary
renovation, after an upstairs waterline blew and ran for 4 days....
With no ceilings and few walls, it's easy....
The 2S+Basement condo has 25pair telco everywhere [bet no one here
recalls a WECO 51A..] and we're adding coax, CAT5e and misc.
But one problem is the drywall-block distance is quite shallow -
way less than an inch. Is there some kind of mudring+spacer that will
let me use standard wallplates, or a backless box that will protrude
out??
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Have you looked at Caddy fasteners ?
http://www.erico.com/products/CADDYcfcMntngPltBrcktsMtllc.asp
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a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
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David Lesher
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Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:13 pm Post subject:
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a) Yes, I know about Caddy fasteners. There are also plastic ones
made by ?Panduit? that may be better.
b) Yes, the trouble is, there is very little hollow space behind
the drywall - <0.5". The backside is block.
c) I don't plan to use any box; just a Caddy or similar ring.
The owner does not like the surface boxes, and neither do I.
d) What I need is a spacer ring, to space the faceplate out
from the wall and allow enough room for the cables behind.
e) Such spacers are not easy to find. Leviton has a 41290-DRx
that is dual-gang, But no duplex one. Panduit has a JBP1E
that's close, but a box, not a spacer. It might go atop
a ring but....
f) One approach is the Leviton MOS line. It has a 45 deg insert,
41294-2xx that is out from the wall. We could use that for the RG6/F
connections, sure to be the worst ones. The others may or may not
work flat. But then, since the 45's limit you to 4 jacks/box; we
end up with several quad boxes anyhow. {Each location gets
TV-phone-CAT5; the LR one for the entertainment center gets that
plus multiple binding posts for speakers [8-10] and perhaps more
others as well.}
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A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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Sonco
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Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:22 pm Post subject:
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As a last resort , you could always make a hole in the block.
"David Lesher" <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote in message
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a) Yes, I know about Caddy fasteners. There are also plastic ones
made by ?Panduit? that may be better.
b) Yes, the trouble is, there is very little hollow space behind
the drywall - <0.5". The backside is block.
c) I don't plan to use any box; just a Caddy or similar ring.
The owner does not like the surface boxes, and neither do I.
d) What I need is a spacer ring, to space the faceplate out
from the wall and allow enough room for the cables behind.
e) Such spacers are not easy to find. Leviton has a 41290-DRx
that is dual-gang, But no duplex one. Panduit has a JBP1E
that's close, but a box, not a spacer. It might go atop
a ring but....
f) One approach is the Leviton MOS line. It has a 45 deg insert,
41294-2xx that is out from the wall. We could use that for the RG6/F
connections, sure to be the worst ones. The others may or may not
work flat. But then, since the 45's limit you to 4 jacks/box; we
end up with several quad boxes anyhow. {Each location gets
TV-phone-CAT5; the LR one for the entertainment center gets that
plus multiple binding posts for speakers [8-10] and perhaps more
others as well.}
--
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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David Lesher
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Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:07 am Post subject:
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"dg" <dan_gus@hotmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | e) Such spacers are not easy to find. Leviton has a 41290-DRx
that is dual-gang, But no duplex one. Panduit has a JBP1E
that's close, but a box, not a spacer. It might go atop
a ring but....
But what? Do you mean to tell me you won't use a JBP1E because its *called*
a surface mount box? It effectively IS a spacer if you use it as one. In
what ways would a "spacer" differ from such a "box"?
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It has a back. I don't want one. That's important because behind
that plate there's a 25 pair loop that I need to fish out and tap
pairs from...then shove back into the wall.
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& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
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dg
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Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:49 am Post subject:
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"David Lesher" <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | e) Such spacers are not easy to find. Leviton has a 41290-DRx
that is dual-gang, But no duplex one. Panduit has a JBP1E
that's close, but a box, not a spacer. It might go atop
a ring but....
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But what? Do you mean to tell me you won't use a JBP1E because its *called*
a surface mount box? It effectively IS a spacer if you use it as one. In
what ways would a "spacer" differ from such a "box"?
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dg
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Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:21 am Post subject:
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"David Lesher" <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | It has a back. I don't want one. That's important because behind
that plate there's a 25 pair loop that I need to fish out and tap
pairs from...then shove back into the wall.
--
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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David,
We all have our details that we won't budge on, I understand. I know I may
be telling you things you have no interest in, ignore this info if you like.
I would imagine that the box backplate has a big knockout you can remove-all
the Wiremold boxes I have used have had them. You could, if you wanted,
pull the 25 pair cable out enough to tap off the wires you need (probably
only a pair or two right?) suppose you tap into the 25 pair and use a piece
of CAT5 or similar to work from. Then push the 25 pair cable back into the
wall and only leave the CAT5 hanging out. That should be small enough to
easily work around.
Sometimes I get all worked up over keeping everything completely correct and
to my high standards, but then realize that the particular job itself is
funky and I just have to bend my standards. I just wanted to make sure you
knew you COULD use the box, if you were willing to bend your "no
surfacemount" rule just a little. Having 0.5" of space behind drywall isn't
normal, so you shouldn't have to restrict yourself to normal practices-its a
special case.
Good luck and be sure to let us know if you find a spacer you like, it would
be good to know about.
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David Lesher
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Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:44 am Post subject:
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"dg" <dan_gus@hotmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | It has a back. I don't want one. That's important because behind
that plate there's a 25 pair loop that I need to fish out and tap
pairs from...then shove back into the wall.
David,
We all have our details that we won't budge on, I understand. I know I may
be telling you things you have no interest in, ignore this info if you like.
I would imagine that the box backplate has a big knockout you can remove-all
the Wiremold boxes I have used have had them.
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I've considered that, but a) The knockouts are small vs the whole
area. b) The customer doesn't like them, either.
The good news is I measured again, and there's 3cm behind the
wallboard. That's more than I thought. I think that will clear all
but perhaps the RG-6/F connection. And I think using the 45 degree
Leviton will solve that issue.
The bad news is a good supplier, Straight Line Supply, has folded.
--
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& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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